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Outlands College of Heralds

November 3, 2011 From the Office of the Castle Herald
Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a
castle@outlandsheralds.org

Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 3rd day of November, A.S. XLV (2011 CE), does Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a send greetings on behalf of Sheik Omar Mohammud Mirzazadeh, White Stag Principal Herald.

 

It would assist Castle Herald greatly in the future if you would e-mail a copy of the documentation summary for name submissions along with the paper copies.  It saves having to re-type everything again.  Also, please be sure that you include dates of registration and return for armory for previously registered names and resubmissions of any kind.  If Castle can't find where an item was returned, it may be pended until the information is provided or payment is made for a new submission.

 

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands Letter of Presentation for November 2011. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are my sole responsibility.  Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by December 15, 2011, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for December 21, 2011.  As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.


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1. Aloisia Ambercoast. Name Resubmission (Kingdom).

(Drygestan) Gender: Female. Submitter cares most about the meaning, 'of the Amber Coast' and will accept changes.

 

Submitter's name was returned on the April 2011 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2011-03-lop/1104-lor.html) stating the following:

 

While the given name Aloisia is an acceptable English name per Withycombe, the provided documentation seems to support "Ambercoast" rather than "of the Amber Coast". Because submitter requested a Slavic name, and the provided documentation supports an English name, this submission will be Returned for further documentation and clarification.

 

Submitter has changed "of the Amber Coast" to "Ambercoast".

 

[Aloisia] - Withycombe, p. 17. Header Aloysius, dated 16-17c.

 

[Ambercoast] - a locative byname found similarly to such names as River Amber. Amber from 1235, also Ambergate, Amber Hill. Found in Watts, p. 12.

 

 

 

 

2. Ari St. Louis. New Name and Device. Azure per chevron argent, in chief three mullets of six points argent and a fleur de lis argent center base.

(Ravenhyrst) Gender: Male. Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes.

 

[Ari] - Numbers 24:9

 

[St. Louis] - French, location and surname, town of St. Louis at the mouth of the Rhone river

 

 

 

3. Barbary Bramble. Device Resubmission (Kingdom). Sable, per chevron argent a strawberry bendwise to sinister proper, overall a wreath of thorns counterchanged.

(Drygestan) Submitter's name was registered as Barberry Bramble on the May 2011 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/05/11-05lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

 Submitter's device, Sable, on a pile inverted argent, a strawberry bendwise to sinister proper, overall a wreath of thorns, counterchanged, was returned on the February 2011 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2011-01-lop/1102-lor.html) stating the following:

 

This must be returned for counterchanging a complex charge over an ordinary. Per the collected precedents of Jaelle of Armida (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/jaeprec.html#Counterchanging), "The only time we permit a charge to be counterchanged over another is when they are both ordinaries. (Shire of Crystal Crags, 12/98 p. 13)

 

 

 

4. Dihya n Kel Ahaggar. Name and Device Resubmission (Laurel). Per fess, azure and argent, a plate and two mullets of six points elongated to chief and base, three gouttes de larmes counterchanged.

(Hawks Hollow) Gender: Doesn't Matter. Submitter cares most about the language and/or culture, 'Tuareg/Berber/African'. Submitter will accept changes. Submitter will accept changes for authenticity of time period and language and/or culture, '8th Century Tuareg/Berber'.

 

Submitter's name, Žora Siguršardóttir, and device was returned on the August 2010 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/08/10-08lar.html) stating the following:

 

Unfortunately this name conflicts with the identical Žora Siguršardóttir registered in March 2010.

This device is returned because the bat is not in a blazonable posture. It is not volant, because the angle of the body would be horizontal. It is not volant bendwise, because then the angle of the body would be much steeper. Lacking the ability to blazon this device, it must be returned.

This device is also returned because the stylization of the bat causes identifiability problems. One commenter described the bat as being 'fimbriated argent'. Commentary was nearly unanimous that the white outline and face renders the creature almost unidentifiable, violating section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions.

On resubmission, the submitter should be aware that commenters have been unable to find the reremouse in any position other than displayed in period, so unless documentation is included showing the use of reremice in a non-displayed posture, it will be considered a step from period practice.

 

To clear the conflicts, the submitter has chosen a different name, culture and device.

 

[Dihya] - mental_floss presents: Forbidden Knowledge, edited by Will Pearson, Mangesh Hattikudur and Elizabeth Hunt. Chapter 4.

 

[n] - a Tamazizght word meaning "of" (http://friendsofmorocco.org/Docs/Dict/Tamazizght%20E-T.htm)

 

[Kel Ahaggar] - Historical Dictionary of the Berbers (Imazighen) by Hsain Ilahiane, pg. 75

 

Dihya n Kel Ahaggar translates as Dihya of [the] People of the Ahaggar.

 

 

 

5. Gilliana Leigh Gallwey. Device Resubmission (Kingdom). Sable, between three bulls' heads couped argent, armed and engorged of a strand of pearls Or, a chevron argent.

(Drygestan) Submitter's name was submitted on the July 2011 LoP (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2011-07-lop/1107-lop.html) and sent to Laurel on the August 2011 LoI (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2011-07-lop/1108-loi.html)

 

Submitter's device was returned on the August 2011 LoR stating the following:

 

Per the precedent set forth on the May 2011 LoAR Cover Letter (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2011/05/11-05cl.html), a correctly drawn chevron must extend as far above the centerline of the escutcheon as it does below.  This chevron has more below than above, and must be returned under the new precedent.  Also, the chevron is a little on the skinny side, and could stand to be slightly thicker.

The chevron was redrawn to clear the issues.

 

 

 

6. Jorhildr Hrafnskald Cuilleann. New Name and Device. Per saltire vert and argent in pale a raven perched on a thistle and a boar proper.

(al-Barran) Gender: Doesn't Matter. Submitter cares most about the meaning and culture, 'battle boar, raven, bard/poet' and '9th-10th Century Norse'. Submitter will accept changes.

 

[Jorhildr] - 'Old Norse Women's Names' (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml#j)

 

[Hrafn] - 'Old Norse Men's Names' (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#h)

[skald] - 'Old Norse Men's Names' (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#s)

[Hrafnskald] - 'Three Hundred Viking Names from the Sagas' by David Swan mentions Hrafn the Skald, a name from around 1010. (http://thescholarsgarret.com/opusculi/viking_names/)

 

[Cuilleann] - Irish-Gaelic for 'holly', pronounced 'Kwillon' (like the Submitter's mundane name). Intended as a nickname that follows the given name. Submitter states that a nickname following a given name is period practice for Scandinavian explorers (including nicknames based in a different language/culture) but does not provide documentation for the 'nickname' or the naming practice. Submitter's summary implies that they have chosen Cuilleann as a more "period" version of their mundane name instead of registering the mundane name.

 

 

 

7. Jorhildr Hrafnskald Cuilleann. New Badge. Fieldless, a boar rampant maintaining a shield and spear proper.

(al-Barran) Submitter's name and device are submitted on this LoP.

 

Submitter wishes to retain old badge(s).

 

 

 

8. Jorhildr Hrafnskald Cuilleann. New Badge. Fieldless, a raven perched on a thistle proper sustaining a quill pen Or.

(al-Barran) Submitter's name and device are submitted on this LoP.

 

Submitter wishes to retain old badge(s).

 

 

 

9. Jorhildr Hrafnskald Cuilleann. New Badge. Fieldless, a winged fox gules perched on an arrow proper maintaining a bow.

(al-Barran) Submitter's name and device is submitted on this LoP.

 

Submitter wishes to retain old badge(s).

 

 

 

10. Llewellyn y Saethydd. Name Resubmission (Kingdom).

(Drygestan) Gender: Male. Submitter cares most about meaning and language and/or culture, 'Welsh for "the Archer"'. Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes.

 

Submitter's name, Llewellyn Gwynedd, was returned on the May 2010 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2010-04-lop/1005-lor.html) stating the following:

 

The name is RETURNED for presumption vs all the Kings Llewellyn of Gwynedd.  Llywelyn the Great, aka Llywelyn ab Iorwerth (c. 1173-1240), was Prince of Gwynedd and ruler of most of Wales. According to the W*******a entry for "Llywelyn", there were at least three other Welsh rulers who bore that name.

 

Submitter's name, Llewellyn y Saethwr, was returned on the April 2011 (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2011-03-lop/1104-lor.html) stating the following:

 

Returned for a lack of a dated spelling/use of Saethwr.  It appears that the proper period name meaning "archer" would be "y Saethydd".

 

Submitter has cleared the issues on the last return by using the naming suggestion given.

 

 

 

11. Raes Augustine. Device Resubmission (Kingdom). Ermine, on a canton vert a fox courant Or.

(Caerthe) Submitter's name was registered on the June 2010 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/06/10-06lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

Submitter's device, Quarterly vert and ermine, in dexter chief a fox courant Or, was returned on the March 2011 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2011-02-lop/1103-lor.html) stating the following:

 

RETURNED for appearance of marshalling per RFS XI.3.

 

Submitter cleared the issue with a new field division.

 

 

 

12. Readstan, Canton of. Badge Resubmission (Kingdom). Fieldless, a griffon's head argent, erased, with a collar sable and roundels argent on a Lozenge gules.

(Readstan) Submitter's name was registered on the March 2007 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2007/03/07-03lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

Submitter's badge, Fieldless, a griffin's head erased argent, collared gules, was returned on the September 2010 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2010-08-lop/1009-lor.html) stating the following:

 

RETURNED for conflict with Beautrice Hammeltoune, reg. 11/98 via AEthelmearc: (Fieldless) A griffin's head erased argent collared gules.

Submitter cleared the conflicts by changing the collar color and adding a Lozenge.

 

 

 

13. Sebastien Bastoen. Device resubmission (Kingdom). Quarterly Sable and Gules, a fleur-de-lis Or, a bordure embattled Or.

(Caerthe) Submitter's name was registered as Sebastiaen Bastoen on the June 2010 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/06/10-06lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

Submitter's device, Quarterly Sable and Gules, a fleur-de-lis Or, a bordure embattled counterchanged, was returned on the March 2010 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2010-02-lop/1003-lor.html) stating the following:

 

While the sable and gules field is fine, adding the counterchanged bordure violates RFS VIII.2.b.i requirement of good contrast.  RETURNED for re-draw.

 

Submitter cleared the issue by changing the bordure to one color.

 

 

 

14. Siguršr Kveld-Ślfr. New Device. Argent, a goat rampant gules sinister.

(al-Barran) Submitter's name was registered on the July 1998 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1998/07/lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

 

 

15. Siguršr Kveld-Ślfr. New Badge. Argent, two goat combatant gules.

(al-Barran) Submitter's name was registered on the July 1998 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1998/07/lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

 

 

16. Wolf von der Mühle. Device Resubmission (Kingdom). Vert, on a pile between a pair of wings argent a triple-arched bridge sable.

(Citadel of the Southern Pass) Submitter's name was registered on the May 2010 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/05/10-05lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

Submitter's device, Vert, on a pile between a pair of wings argent a triple-arched bridge sable, was returned on the February 2010 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2010-01-lop/1002-lor.html) stating the following:

 

The bridge is too small to be identifiable, and does not fill the available space.  RETURNED for re-draw.

 

Submitter's device, Vert, on a pile between a pair of wings argent a triple-arched bridge sable, was returned on the April 2010 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2010-03-lop/1004-lor.html) stating the following:

 

 RETURNED for re-draw.  In attempting to make more room for the bridge, submitter unfortunately re-dimensioned the pile beyond identifiability.  Piles do not span to the edges of the shield, and are generally longer (the previous pile was very well-drawn).  For precedent: "This is not a pile, because it issues from the top corners of the shield. Nor is it chaussé, because it does not extend all the way to base. Nor is it a chief triangular, because it is much too deep. Nor is it a per chevron inverted field division, because it does not issue from the sides of the field. As a result, this must be returned. [Rickard of Gwyntarian, 10/2001, R-Middle]"

 

Submitter has redrawn the device.

 

 

 

Thus ends the November 2011 Letter of Presentation.

 

In Service,

Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a 

Castle Herald

 

 

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November 2011 Letter of Presentation
December 2011 Letter of Response
December 2011 Letter of Intent
March 2012 LoAR Results
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