Outlands LoI dated 2009-12-31

31 December 2009

From the Office of Rampart Herald

Baron Randal Carrick (Randall Jackson)

rampart@outlandsheralds.org



Unto the Sovereigns and members of the College of Arms of the Society, does Randal Carrick, Rampart Herald send his greetings. What follows is the December Letter of Intent for the Kingdom of the Outlands. I would like to thank the following heralds for providing commentary for this letter: Furukusu Masahide, Aspen Pursuivant; Francesca di Pavia, Ray de Soleil Pursuivant; Marie de Blois, White Stag Principal Herald; Æðeluulf munuc, Fretty Herald; Sorcha MacLeod; Llywus ap Alan, Weel Herald; Jibra'il `Attar; Timothy O'Brien, Besom Herald; Charles Roberts, Scorpion Pursuivant Emeritus, Andrew von Otelingen, Barbican Pursuivant, Inez Alfon, Blanch Tygre Herald Extraordinary; and Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald. Very special thanks go to Lady Leonor Ruiz de Lison, for providing extensive research into Mongolian naming practices.

It is my intent to register this November the following Items from the Outlands College of Heralds:

1: Andrew von Otelingen - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2009, via the Outlands.

Argent, on a pile azure a fleur-de-lis argent, all within a bordure azure

 

Submitter's name was registered on the May 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/05/09-05lar.html) via the Outlands.

Submitter's previous device, Argent, on a pile azure a fleur-de-lis argent, was returned by Laurel on the same letter, stating: "This device conflicts with the device of Roane Fairegae of Lochlann, Argent, on a pile throughout azure a seal [Phoca vitulina] haurient argent, and with the device of Richard FitzGilbert, Argent, on a pile throughout azure a sun Or. In each case, there is a single CD for the changes to the tertiary charges. It also conflicts with the device of Aubree Duquesne de Bellemare, Argent, on a pile throughout issuant from sinister azure, a fleur-de-lys Or with a CD for the change of position of the pile, but no CD for the change of only the tincture of the tertiary charge."

Submitter has added a bordure to clear the conflict.

In addition, both Wieslaw z Krakowa and Andrew von Otelingen have included letters of permission for each other to conflict, given the close similarity of their device submissions.


2: Briatiz d'Andrade - New Name Change & New Badge

(Fieldless) a swan rousant to sinister ermine

Old Item: Kathryn Brian Chevreuil, to be retained.

The submitter's current registered name, Kathryn Brian Chevreuil, was registered on the September 1996 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1996/09/lar.html) via the Outlands. 

Briatiz: Portuguese Feminine Names from Lisbon, 1565 by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/portuguese/fem1565.html) documents 59 occurrences of this feminine given name in this spelling from a tax roll of Lisbon, 1565.

 

D'Andrade: : Portuguese Feminine Names from Lisbon, 1565 by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/portuguese/fem1565.html) documents six occurrences of this surname in this spelling from a tax roll of Lisbon, 1565.  

 


3: Caer Galen, Barony of - New Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands.

Order of the Book and Harp

 

The previous submission, Order of the Storytellers of Caer Galen, was returned by Rampart on the July 2006 LOR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2006-06-lop/0607-lor.html). This is a total revision. The branch name was registered as the Shire of Caer Galen in May 1980 and was updated to the Barony of Caer Galen in January 2004.  

This order name follows the pattern "thing & thing" as defined in "Project Ordensnamen" by Meradudd Cethin (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/), which lists as examples of this type the Orders of the Ship and Crescent, Ship and Shell, and Tower and Sword. "Medieval Secular Order Names" by Juliana de Luna (http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/) lists several categories into which period secular Order names fall. One of these is the category "Two Charges". Some cited examples of this type of Order name are the Orders of the Fish and Falcon and the Hound and Wreath.  Both the Book and the Harp are recognized heraldic charges, frequently registered in SCA heraldry.


4: Caer Galen, Barony of - Resub Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands.

Order of St. Louis with the Staff

 

The previous submission, Order of the Curmudgeons of Caer Galen, was returned by Laurel on the November 2006 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2006/11/06-11lar.html). This is a total revision. The branch name was registered as the Shire of Caer Galen in May 1980 and was updated to the Barony of Caer Galen in January 2004.  

This order name follows the pattern "name + thing" as defined in "Project Ordensnamen" by Meradudd Cethin (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/), which lists as examples of this type the Orders of Our Lady of the Thistle, St. James of the Sword, and St George of the Cross Vermaeille. "Medieval Secular Order Names" by Juliana de Luna (http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/) lists several categories into which period secular Order names fall. One of these is the category "Saint + Other Element". A cited example of this type of Order name is the Order of Saint George with the Pelican.  There are many saints named Louis; the best known is King Louis IX of France (1215-1270; canonized 1297) (The Catholic Encyclopedia - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09368a.htm).  

The staff is a recognized heraldic charge, frequently registered in SCA heraldry.


5: Caer Galen, Barony of - Resub Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands.

Order of St. Michael with the Harp

 

The previous submission, Order of the Militant Bards, was returned by Laurel on the November 2006 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2006/11/06-11lar.html). This is a total revision. The branch name was registered as the Shire of Caer Galen in May 1980 and was updated to the Barony of Caer Galen in January 2004.  

This order name follows the pattern "name + thing" as defined in "Project Ordensnamen" by Meradudd Cethin (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/), which lists as examples of this type the Orders of Our Lady of the Thistle, St. James of the Sword, and St George of the Cross Vermaeille. "Medieval Secular Order Names" by Juliana de Luna (http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/) lists several categories into which period secular Order names fall. One of these is the category "Saint + Other Element". A cited example of this type of Order name is the Order of Saint George with the Pelican.  There are many saints named Michael; the best known is the Archangel Michael, the warrior of the angelic host (The Catholic Encyclopedia - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10275b.htm).  

The harp is a recognized heraldic charge, frequently registered in SCA heraldry.


6: Elena Isabella de Glastonbury - Resub Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Submitter's previous name, Elena of Glaestingeberia, was returned by Laurel on the May 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/05/09-05lar.html), stating: 

Conflict with Elynor of Glastonbury. Elena and Elynor are variants of the same name, and they are not significantly different in sound. Glæstingeberia is an earlier form of Glastonbury, and these two forms are also not significantly different in sound.

The LoI noted that the byname was originally submitted as of Glastonbury, but changed in kingdom when no dates for Glastonbury could be found. Pelican Emeritus notes that "An anthology of Chancery English has <Glastonbury> in a document dated "before 1421", which means it's sometime in the early 15th C."

Submitter has added the name element Isabella in order to clear this conflict.

Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyAG.html)  

[Elena] - 1187 Ludford;

[Isabella] - Is1201 Bonnet; 1274 Paul; 1275 Chipp; 1279 Gosset; 1296 Welton; 1297 Illsley; 1311 Kell; 1312 Wells; 1327 Albert; 1330 Binley; 1332 Hicken; 1337 Stile; 1364 Shimpling; 1366 Windmill; 1379 Vickerman; 1381 Jobbinson; 1388 Pleader; 1428 Virgin

[Glastonbury] - From the LoAR - "Pelican Emeritus notes that "An anthology of Chancery English has <Glastonbury> in a document dated "before 1421", which means it's sometime in the early 15th C."

One commenter raised the question of whether middle names were user in Tudor England, which was not answered at Kingdom, and left for Pelican to address


7: Fontaine dans Sable, Barony of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2004, via the Outlands.

Argent, in fess an ewer reversed sable, a three-tiered fountain spouting azure and an ewer sable all within eight fleur-de-lis in annulo bases outward azure

This submission is to be associated with Order of the Selchie

Blazon changed by Rampart from Argent, in fess an ewer reversed sable, a three-tiered fountain spouting azure and an ewer sable all within an orle of fleur-de-lis bases outward azure.


8: Kiyajin Qulan - Resub Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for 1400's Mongolia.

Name changed by Rampart from Hulan Kiyat, as submitter requested authenticity for Mongolian. In Commentary, Lady Leonore Ruiz de Lison provided extensive documentation supporting this name construction, and submitter approved the change

Submitter's previous name, Suleymahn L'Hilt, and device, Sable, an owl and in chief a mullet of four points, all within a bordure potenty argent , were returned by Kingdom on the July 2003 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2003-05-lop/lor0703.html), stating:

 

 

Client cares most about the Sound, does not care about the gender of the name, and is interested in being authentic for "1400's".

This name has three major issues, as noted by multiple commentors. First and most minor, Suleymahn was documented as a variant phonetic spelling (aka transliteration) of Soloman/Suliman/Suleyman. However, all of the commentary suggests that a spelling with 'h' is not a reasonable transliteration. Sticking with 'Suleiman', 'Sulayman', or 'Suleyman' would be fairly reasonable, and I would have simply changed it (as it would not affect the sound significantly), except for the other issues.

Second, combining an Arabic given name and a French byname may not be acceptable. While there is no direct precedent on this issue, combining Arabic with Norse and (separately) with Swiss have both been ruled unacceptable and not registrable. There does not, in period, seem to have been more contact between the Arabs and the French than there would have been between the Arabs and either the Norse or the Swiss. I might have sent this up for Laurel to make a determination on, except for the third issue.

Third and most signifcantly, while "L'Hilt" is a French term for an owl, it is not necessarily suitable as a byname in French. Essentially, it makes this name "Suleyman the Owl", which doesn't make much sense as a name. Epithet style bynames tended to be reasonable descriptors of the individual, such as "the tall" or "the red(-haired)" or "crookshanks" or "the good", and would be a physical or behavioral type of description instead of metaphorical or figurative.

I do have one suggestion of an alternate byname. In the name book written by Dauzat (one of the current standard French name books for SCA heralds, so no photocopy is needed), on page 334 there is the heading "Huleux" (approximately "Hoo-loo"), which is described as "sobriquet d'apres le cri du hibou" (rough translation: "a nickname or epithet after the cry of an owl"), and also lists the forms "Hulet", "Hulin", "Hulot" under that header. However, this suggestion does not address the issue of combining an Arabic given name and a French byname.

Fortunately, I also have two suggestions on the given name! Looking in "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html#S) by Lord Colm Dubh, I found one "Salemon le Breton, mesuréeur de sel". This would still be a male name, and be pronounced (approximately) "Sah-lay-mon". This source also has the benefit of not requiring photocopies.

Also, looking in "Flemish Given Names from Bruges, 1400-1600" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/docs/bruges/given-list.html) by Luana de Grood, I found the name "Salomon", which may be closer in both pronunciation and time to what you wanted. Again, this is still a male name. This source does require photocopies/printouts.

As French names are not my specialty, I won't pretend to certainty, but "Salemon Huleux", "Salomon Huleux", "Salemon Hulot", or "Salomon Hulot" should be acceptable, fully French names.

The following submission was pended:

Suleymahn L'Hilt. New Device. Sable, an owl and in chief a mullet of four points, all within a bordure potenty argent.

This device is pended, waiting for an acceptable name. When there is an acceptable name, I will send this device up with it.

Both [Hulan] and [Kiyat] are listed in Period Mongol Names (http://members.tripod.com/Mongolian_page/names.html). The information is apparently distilled from Ghengis Khan, R.P. Lister, 1969.

 

 

In commentary at Kingdom, Lady Leonor Ruiz de Lison provided several e-mails worth of additional documentation and correction, summarized as follows. Her final conclusion is listed as the final paragraph, and was the basis for the change made at Kingdom.

8. R.P. Lister's "Genghis Khan" is a popular nonfiction book, and it looks like, from that list, the spellings are completely haphazard. My guess would be that <Hulan> is the name usually spelled <Qulan> or <Khulan> 'wild ass, kulan' in transliterations of Middle Mongolian (in modern Khalkha the /kh/ sound is pronounced similarly to /h/ in English, and less scholarly authors often choose spellings closer to the modern pronunciation). <Qulan> was definitely used as a female name in the 1400s.

In the very few examples I've found of tribal or clan names like <Kiyat> (a subclan of the Borjigin) being clearly used as a byname, they usually have the suffix -dai (or -dei for front-voweled words) appended and the tribal name precedes the personal name, which would make the male name <Kiyadai Qulan>. (The form of the suffix is determined by the principle of vowel harmony, in which a word may contain only front vowels or back vowels, along with the neutral vowel i. This also affects some consonants.) <Kiyat> is a back-voweled word, and so takes back-voweled suffixes; although k is usually reserved for front-vowelled words, here it precedes the neutral i, hence <Kiyat> rather than <Qiyat> (<Qiyat> appears in Turkic-influenced Middle Eastern sources, but <Kiyat> is the typical spelling overall).

The female equivalent of -dai/dei would be -jin, and the final -t (or -d in the plural) of <Kiyat> would be dropped, forming the name <Kiyajin Qulan>. While I did not find any examples of a tribal name in -jin being used with a personal name, there are numerous examples of this form being apparently used as a personal name by women, e.g. <Mongqoljin Qo'a> (from <Mongqol>) or <Baya'ujin> (from <Baya'ut>). These may or may not represent cases where the woman's original personal name was not recorded and she came to be referred to in text as simply "the beauty of the Mongols" or "the Baya'ut (woman)," but there are a few apparent cases of men being referred to by both a tribal name in -dai/dei and a personal name, so it's not implausible for a female name.

More commonly, tribal affiliation in period sources is indicated by the tribal name in the genitive case -un (or -{u"}n for front-voweled words) preceding the personal name. In this case that would form the name <Kiyad-un Qulan>, which is literally 'Qulan belonging to the Kiyat (clan)'. <Kiyad> is the plural of <Kiyat>; plural forms are typically used in this context. This form is recommended by G{u"}l{u"}gjab Tangghudai in his article on Middle Mongolian names (http://www.viahistoria.com/SilverHorde/main.html?research/ResearchingMongolNames.html).

The tribal affiliation in whatever form precedes the personal name in all sources I could find. <Kiyad-un Qulan> would be the most typical form, but <Kiyajin Qulan> is also plausible. <Qulan of the Kiyat> would also be acceptable as a translation if the client wishes to have the personal name given first to avoid confusion.

Submitter approves any of these changes


9: Rosalind of Wellmark - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 1992, via the Outlands.

(Fieldless) a cross bottony gules fimbriated argent

 

Blazon changed by Rampart from (Fieldless) a cross bottony argent debruised by a cross bottony gules. Several commenters questioned whether this charge is too complex to be properly fimbriated, but it is primarily geometric in nature and not a complex line such as an animal, and therefore will be left to Laurel's determination.


10: Seóan mac Ruadhrí Ui Ceallacháin - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Vert, on a chevron argent between three fleams reversed Or, three gouttes de sang

 

Submitter's name was previously submitted to Laurel on the Outlands August 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-07-lop/0908-lor.html)

This same device was returned on the Outlands September 2006 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2006-08-lop/0609-lor.html), stating: "Device returned due to lack of name to send it forward with."

Submitter's name has been sent to Laurel for determination, and so the device can be resubmitted as-is.


11: Thorfinn Greybeard - New Augmentation of Arms

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 1991, via the Outlands.

Argent, a tree and in saltire a viking bearded axe and a smithing hammer gules, and in augmentation, on a chief chequy gules and argent, three roundels Or

 

Augmentation was awarded 3/18/2000

Submitters existing device, Argent, a tree and in saltire a viking bearded axe and a smithing hammer gules, was registered on the May 1992 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1992/05/lar.html) via the Outlands.

Submitter's previous augmentation, Argent, a tree and in saltire a Viking bearded axe and smithing hammer gules, as an augmentation a canton checky sable and gules charged with three bezants, was returned by Kingdom on the October 2001 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2001-08-lop/lor1001.html), stating: "

[al-Jamal] - (Device): "Blazon fu: *... as an augmentation _on_ a canton ....*"

[Green Anchor] - (Device): "RfS VIII.2.b.iv is pretty clear that a charge of any kind can't be checky of two colors. Since I don't know the significance of this augmentation, I won't suggest possible changes."

[Rouge Scarpe] - (Device Augmentation): ""Augmentations must follow the same rules that regular armory does, according to the new rules on the June 01 cover letter. A canton checky must be checky of good contrast, and this is not, therefore it must be returned. The rule specifically says "Gules, a lion argent, and in augmentation a canton argent charged with a tower Or is not acceptable, as the augmentation internally breaks RfS VIII.2., Armorial Contrast."

[Caer Galen] - (Device): "RfS VIII.2.b.iv: On the augmentation: Elements evenly divided into multiple parts of two different tinctures must have good contrast between their parts, For example, checky argent and gules is acceptable, but checky azure and gules is not [and neither is checky sable and gules - l]."

ACTION: Augmentation Returned for having checky of two colors.

Submitter has redesigned the augmentation to clear the previous reason for return.


12: Unser Hafen, Barony of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1991, via the Outlands.

(Fieldless) a portcullis vert

This submission is to be associated with Populace of Unser Hafen

Submitter's previous badge submission, Vert, a portcullis within a bordure embattled Or, was returned by Kingdom on the June 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-05-lop/0906-lor.html), stating: "Returned for conflict: Atenveldt, Kingdom of (01/96, Atenveldt) "Vert, a portcullis Or," with one CD for adding the bordure; and with Malcolm MacLeod of Caer Adamant (05/05, East), "Sable, a portcullis and a bordure embattled Or," with one CD for changing the field tincture."

Submitter has removed the field and changed the tincture of the portcullis to clear the conflicts.


13: Wieslaw z Krakowa - New Name & New Device

Argent, on a pile azure a fleur-de-lis argent, all within a bordure azure, a label Or

No major changes.
Language (Polish) most important.
Culture (Polish) most important.
Meaning ("Wieslaw from Krakow" in Polish) most important.

"Wieslaw" is submitter's legal middle name (driver's license included)  Krakow was the historical capital of Poland between 1038-1610 (See attached History of Krakow) http://www.krakow-info.com/krakow.htm

 The "z" in Polish means "from." Polish grammar modifies the city name when used with "z" from "Krakow" to "Krakowa". Therefore "Wieslaw from Krakow" would be written in period as "Wieslaw z Krakowa" in Polish.  "Mateusz z Krakowa" was a philosopher, theologian, and university professor who was born in Krakow between 1345 and 1348. See attached biography introduction from Prof. Wladyslawa Senki as proof of usage, spelling, and grammar.

I am replacing "Mateusz" with my middle name, "Wieslaw", resulting in "Wieslaw z Krakowa".

Both Wieslaw z Krakowa and Andrew von Otelingen have included letters of permission for each other to conflict, given the close similarity of their device submissions.

Commenters noted that the label is usually placed overall, but the submitting herald pointed out an example of a dovetailed label placed entirely on the bordure in Foster's "The Dictionary of Heraldry - Feudal Coats of Arms and Pedigrees". This is first emblazon on page 74, for Dunbar, Patrick, Earl of. Without more information about which Roll of Arms this emblazon was derived from, I felt it best to send this to Wreath for a ruling.


14: William de Kari - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2006, via the Outlands.

Per chevron Or semy of hurts and azure, in base a standing balance Or

 

Submitter's previous device, Per chevron Or and azure, three hurts and a standing balance Or, was returned on the September 2007 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2007/09/07-09lar.html), stating: 

"This device is returned for a redraw of the line of division - the per chevron line starts at the per fess point and clearly does not bisect the field. We note that this design blurs the distinction between four co-primary charges and a primary with three secondary charges. Given that there are two types of charges, one type on either side of line of division, this appears to be co-primaries. However, the relative size of the hurts makes them appear more like secondary charges. This blurring is sufficient grounds for return.

This was originally pended on the February 2007 LoAR as the commenters noted that this should be a four co-primary charges - rather than the primary charge and three secondary charges as blazoned on the LoI - but did not indicate that they had conflict checked with four co-primary charges. However, commentary on the pend was almost unanimous that this is a primary charge and three secondary charges. This confusion is indicative of the problem with this particular design - it blurs the distinction between four co-primary charges and a primary charge with three secondary charges."

Submitter has re-drawn the line of partition and increased the number of hurts to address the issues raised by Laurel.

Several commenters noted that the device does not show a proper "semy" of hurts, but could not adequately reblazon this grouping of charges, and so we are submitting to Laurel with "Semy" as the best description of the charges


Respectfully submitted,



Baron Randal Carrick, Rampart Herald

Kingdom of the Outlands

rampart@outlandsheralds.org