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Outlands College of Heralds

27 July 2006

From the Office of Rampart Herald
Furukusu Masahide (John Newton)
rampart@outlandsheralds.org

Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, the esteemed submitters, and all others who come by these letters, on this 27th day of July 2006, A.S. XL, does Furukusu Masahide, Rampart Herald, send greetings.

My deepest gratitude to those who took time to send internal commentary: Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Albion Herald), Francesca (Castle Herald), Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor Herald), knut, Marie (Palmer Herald), Meradudd (Liber Herald), and Ursula Georges (Saint Bunstable Pursuivant).

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The following items were sent on to Laurel for final determination:

  1. Aicelina de Navarra. New name.
  2. Alianora de la Forest. Device resubmission. Azure, a demi-maiden proper crined issuant from a base wavy Or.
  3. Angus Reid MacFarlane. New device. Sable, on a bend argent between two harps Or, a rapier inverted sable.
    Blazon changed from Sable, on a bend argent between two harps Or, a rapier bendwise sable to Sable, on a bend argent between two harps Or, a rapier inverted sable, to define the orientation of the rapier.
  4. Annaka Vadas. New device. Or, a pile inverted sable between two horses salient respectant gules.
  5. Caer Galen, Barony of. New Order name: Order of the Curmudgeons of Caer Galen.
  6. Caer Galen, Barony of. New Order name: Order of the Golden Nightingale.
  7. Caer Galen, Barony of. New Order name: Order of the Militant Bards.
  8. Caer Galen, Barony of. New Order name: Order of the Monkey.
  9. Einarr Skallagrimsson. Device resubmission. Gyronny of six sable and argent arrondi a triskelion of dragon's heads Or langued gules between six rondels in annulo counterchanged.
  10. Fontaine dans Sable, Barony of. New Order Name: Order of the Selchie.
    Name changed from "Order of the Selkie" to "Order of the Selchie" to correspond to the OED spelling. This change was approved by the submitter.
  11. Hawks Hollow, Canton of. New Badge. Or, on a pile issuant from dexter gules, a hawk stooping, wings addorsed, Or.
  12. Margaida da Gama . Resubmission of Device. (Fieldless) A duck naiant conjoined to a billet wavy argent.
  13. Tryffin MacUalraigh. New Badge. Per fess with a right step gules and sable, in pale two bezants.
    Blazon changed from Per fess with a right step gules and sable, two bezants, to Per fess with a right step gules and sable, in pale two bezants to indicate the location of the bezants.

The following items were returned for further work:

  1. Caer Galen, Barony of. New Order name: Order of the Storytellers.

    This order name follows the grammatical pattern of [group], ie Seraphim (128), Fools (1380), Miolans (1390). Source: Project Ordensnamen by Meradudd Cethin (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order).

    Commenters indicate that "Storytellers" may be too generic a term for registration, per the 10/00 ruling regarding "The Order of Artist:"

    This does not follow known period examples of order names. While orders were named after saints, as the submitters note, the order name is consistently formed from the saint's given name. We were unable to find any period order names that were formed from a byname or occupation. [One Thousand Eyes, Barony of, 10/00, R-Artemisia]

    In order or household names, both the pattern and elements must be period, per Rfs. III.1 "Name Grammar and Syntax. - All names must be grammatically correct for period names and follow documented patterns." The earliest dating of the term "Storytellers" referenced in the OED is 1709, clearly outside of period.

    Name returned for lack of documentation of structure and words.

  2. Eoin Gallda Mac Néill. New name.

    Gender: Male. The submitter is most interested in the language/culture (13th-15th c. Irish Gaelic) of the name. Authenticity NOT requested.
    Eoin - "Irish Names" by O'Corrain & Maguire, "A borrowing of the biblical name John from the Latin form Joannes." Also found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, dated to 1446, 1465, 1550, and 1572 (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Eoin.shtml).
    Gallda - "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/) under "Masculine Descriptiove Bynames, with the meaning "[the] Anglicized".
    Mac Néill - "Niall" is found in O'Corran anf Maguire (no page cite). "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, dated 971-1611. (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Niall.shtml). According to this entry, the genitive form for Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c 1200-c1700) is Néill, so the surname "son of Niall" would be rendered as "Mac Néill".

    No copies of the St. Gabriel articles were included with the submission, and at the time of the letter they were not available online. Without documentation of "Gallda" the name cannot be forwarded to Laurel.
    Name returned for lack of documentation.

  3. Fontaine dans Sable, Barony of. Order name resubmission: Order of the Wellspring.

    The submitter will not accept any changes, major or minor, to the name.
    The previous submission, Order of the Sands, was returned on the November 2005 Outlands Letter of Response for failure to meet the general meta-patterns for order names as set forth in Project Ordensnamen (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/).
    This is a complete change of name.

    This is the third time a group has attempted to submit this exact order name. Both times previous Laurel has returned the item. There is no reason to believe that with the current documentation Laurel will register it this time.

    Trimaris, Kingdom of. Order name Order of the Wellspring.

    This name does not follow a recognized pattern for order names. The identical order name was submitted by Artemisia and returned in October 2000. The reason is still valid:

    This does not follow known period examples of order names. The argument made on the LoI was that a wellspring was a possible heraldic charge. While this argument has some merit in that some order names come from items that could be heraldic charges, it also fails in that a wellspring is not a heraldic charge. It is a special type of stream, not easily depicted as a distinct entity different from a regular stream.[February 2006 LoAR]

    Name returned due to precedent and lack of documentation.

  4. Lasairfhíona O'Seachnasaigh. Name resubmission.

    Gender: Female. Submitter cares most about the meaning of the name, given as "fire of wine" (given name)/"storyteller" (surname). Submitter is interested in a name authentic for Irish language/culture. No major changes accepted.
    The previous submission, Lasairiona Seanchaidhe, was returned on the April 2005 Outlands Letter of Response.
    Lasairfhíona: "Irish Names" by O'Corrain & Maguire, p. 121
    O'Seachnasaigh: "The Surnames of Ireland" by MacLysagt, p. 269

    Commenters indicate that the "Irish Names" entry supports [Lasairíona] as a Modern Irish name, but does not mention the submitted spelling. It does show [Lassar Fhína] as an earlier form.
    Commenters also indicate that [O'Seachnasaigh] is a combination of an English form [O'] with an Irish form [Seachnasaigh] which violates Rfs. III.1.a by combining two languages in a single name element. The proper Irish form would be [Ó Seachnasaigh] which would also be a masculine form. The feminine form would be [inghean ú Sheachnasaigh].
    Making these changes would constitute a major change to the name.

    Name returned for undocumented form.

Thus ends my Letter of Response.

In service and duty,

Furukusu Masahide
Rampart Herald

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