Last modified: August 08, 2006
27 July 2006
From the Office of Rampart Herald
Furukusu Masahide (John Newton)
rampart@outlandsheralds.org
Unto Elisabeth de Rossingol, Laurel Queen of Arms, Margaret MacDuibhshithe, Pelican Queen of Arms, Jean Marie Lacroix, Wreath Queen of Arms, and the College of Arms, upon this 27th day of July 2006, A.S. XL, does Furukusu Masahide, Rampart Herald, send greetings.
Unless otherwise noted, submitters accept all changes, desire a name with the common sense gender, and have no requests for authenticity. My deepest gratitude to those who took time to send internal commentary: Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Albion Herald), Francesca (Castle Herald), Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor Herald), knut, Marie (Palmer Herald), Meradudd (Liber Herald),Ursula Georges (Saint Bunstable Pursuivant).
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It is our intent to register the following items:
Gender: Female. Submitter cares most about the sound and the language/culture of the name. No major changes accepted.
Aicelina - "Names from 13th Century Languedoc" by Cateline de la Mor (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/cateline/languedoc.html)
de Navarra - "Late Period Feminine Names from the South of France" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/latefrenchfem)
The previous submission, Azure, a nude demi-maiden arms outstretched "pink" crined and issuant from a base wavy Or, was returned on the December 2005 LoAR: "This device is returned for redraw. While Caucasian proper is defined as light pink/white, this demi-maiden is colored a dark pink approaching gules and must therefore be considered to be color-on-color. On resubmission, please advise the submitter to use either white or a light pink for the demi-maiden -- and to also draw the waves deeper." The submitting herald says: "We have corrected the problem by resubmitting the artwork with the maiden white, as recommended by Laurel. The waves are not re-drawn (for lack of access to the artist) but this by itself should not be cause for return."
Commenters generally agree that the waves should be drawn deeper and more regularly in practice, but it was not believed that this in itself was a reason for return.
Name registered on August 05 LoAR.
Blazon changed from Sable, on a bend argent between two harps Or, a rapier bendwise sable to Sable, on a bend argent between two harps Or, a rapier inverted sable, to define the orientation of the rapier.
Name registered on January 06 LoAR.
This order name follows the grammatical pattern of <group> + <place>, ie Hospitallers of Germany (1382), Nobles of Tyrol (1361) Maestranza of Ronda (1572) Source: Project Ordensnamen by Meradudd Cethin (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order). "Curmudgeon is found in the OED as a header spelling (p. 237) dating from the 16th century with the definition "avaricious churlish fellow".
This order name follows the general meta-pattern of <heraldic charge> as per the 08/05 LoAR CL and follows the grammatical pattern of <color> + <creature>, ie Golden Unicorn (998), Black Swan (1350), White Eagle (1325). Source: Project Ordensnamen by Meradudd Cethin (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order). The nightingale is mentioned in the Aberdeen Bestiary (c. 1542) as a bird who sings to herald the new day (http://www.abdn.ac.uk/bestiary/translat/52v.hti) The OED lists the name (SN: Nightingale p. 610): ME 'nihtingale', 13th C,. OE 'nihtegala'.
Commenters indicate that the exact spelling of "nightingale" is dated via the OED to 1523.
This order name follows the grammatical pattern of <adjective> + <group>, ie Cross Bearers (998) Angelical Knights (1190) Christian Militia (1615). Source: Project Ordensnamen by Meradudd Cethin (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order). "Bard" is found as a header spelling in the OED (p,74), which notes that the word came into use during the 14th Century in Scotland and in England in the 16th Century. "Militant" is found as a header spelling in the OED (p. 576), which notes that the meaning "engaged in warfare" dates to the 15th Century (Chirche Militant).
Commentary from Meradudd (Liber Herald) indicated that this registration was put together in this format to allow Laurel to rule on an order meta pattern of <adjective>+<group>. His comments follow:
[Period order names have used] "fools", "Seraphim", "Miolans", "Argonauts" "gaudenti", "maestranza" and multiple "nobles" in addition to "preachers", "friars" "hospitillars", "brothers" as well as your "knights", "Templars", "militia" "soldiers" and "sword-bearers".
Yes, most of the groups are either of the military or ecclesiastical nature, but that makes perfect sense as period orders were either military orders or clerical (usually monastic) orders. That said, orders with the general meta-pattern of "group" are more common than virtues, orders which contain the given name of a secular founder or objects of religious veneration, which are three of the general meta-patterns outlined in the 08/05 CL.
Further commentary by other commenters included the following summary, as well as an interesting question on future direction:
I'm not sure I'd count the Seraphim as a group of people-- looks like a group of angels to me, and therefore better filed with orders named after saints, the Virgin Mary, etc. That leaves you with:
Groups of fighters/knights/noblemen: Argonauts (specific classical group of adventurers), maestranza (translates as 'noble riding club'), militia, soldiers, sword-bearers
Groups of religious people: preachers, friars, hospitallers, brothers, Templars. Gaudenti of Our Lady of Bologna also seems to have a religious significance (gaudeo is literally 'enjoy' or 'have pleasure in'.)
That leaves: fools, Miolans. I can only find references to Miolans as a place-name (there's a chateau famous as the residence of de Sade). Do you know why you marked it as a collective noun? I wouldn't be surprised if Fools turned out to be another religious reference (fool of God?) especially since it's taken from Badger's list from Orders of Knighthood, Awards, and the Holy See.
Period knightly orders didn't consist of bakers or candlestick-makers. Are you arguing that we should extend order names to groups which might plausibly be honored in an SCA context?
Commentary from heralds within the Barony of Caer Galen indicated that the current use of the order name is as "Order of the Bards Militant," and suggested that OED references may support a <group>+<adjective> structure. The OED states under the header of "Militant:"
1.Engaged in warfare, warring. Church militant: see CHURCH 4.b. 1413 Pilgr, Sowle (Caxton) v. vi. (1859)76 The chirche militant, that laboureth here in erthe. 1500-20 Dunbar Poems lxx. 19. Thow, that are of mercy militant.
2.Of a standard. Military. 1483 Caxton Gold. Leg. 22 b/r, The kynge of heven perdurable hath hys signes mylytant in the chirche.
It was stated that the local group would prefer such a structure.
This order name follows the general meta-pattern of <heraldic charge> as per the 08/05 LoAR CL and follows the grammatical pattern of <creature>, ie Greyhound (1416), Eagle (1433), Porcupine (1394). Source: Project Ordensnamen by Meradudd Cethin (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order). Monkeys are found in both the Old and New Worlds and were, as such, known to western Europeans during the Middle Ages. "Monkey:" is found as a header spelling in the OED (p. 586) dated to 1530 (PALGR/246/1 Monkey a beest, brouticque, marmot).
The previous submission, Per bend sinister wavy sable and vert, a triskelion of dragon's heads Or, was returned on the December 2005 LoAR: "This device is returned for violating RFS VII.3, which requires that all charges be identifiable. The dragon's heads are not identifiable as such. They most closely resemble Dun dragon's heads, which are not registerable. In addition, the line of division is unidentifiable: the low contrast of the tinctures, the shallowness of the wavy line, and the overlying charge all help to obscure the nature of the division."
This appears to be a nearly complete redesign.
The submitter will not accept any changes, major or minor, to the name.
Selchie - OED dates "Selchie" to 1602 and 1603, with spellings of "Sealchie" as early as 1550. It give the primary meaning as "seal."
Commenters indicate that this conforms to the pattern of <heraldic charge>. Project Ordensnamen (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/) indicates that both fantastic and real beasts can conform to this pattern. This submission further conforms to the order meta patterns by being a period term for a period heraldic charge.
Name changed from "Order of the Selkie" to "Order of the Selchie" to correspond to the OED spelling. This change was approved by the submitter.
If registered the canton would like this designated the populace badge.
Name submitted on Outlands LoI dated March 27 2006.
Device returned on November 05 LoAR for lack of forms. This was under the name "Margaret of the Outlands."
Name registered on December 91 LoAR.
Commenters indicate that a right step may cause the default arrangement of the bezants to be in bend sinister.
Blazon changed from Per fess with a right step gules and sable, two bezants, to Per fess with a right step gules and sable, in pale two bezants to indicate the location of the bezants.
Thus ends my Letter of Intent.
In service and duty,
Furukusu Masahide
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