Last modified: December 19, 2006
27 September 2006
From the Office of Rampart Herald
Furukusu Masahide (John Newton)
rampart@outlandsheralds.org
Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, the esteemed submitters, and all others who come by these letters, on this 27th day of September 2006, A.S. XL, does Furukusu Masahide, Rampart Herald, send greetings.
My deepest gratitude to those who took time to send internal commentary: Cnute, Francesca di Pavia (Castel Herald), Gwain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor Herald) & the NE Calontir commenting group, Marie de Blois (Palmer Herald), Meradudd Cethin (Liber Herald), and Ursula Georges (Loyall Pursevant).
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The following items were sent on to Laurel for final determination:
The following items were returned for further work:
No paperwork was included with this submission, which in and of itself is cause for return under Administrative Handbook (AH) IV.C - Complete Paperwork. Furthermore, several commenters indicated other problems with this household name: Violation of Rules of Submission (Rfs) III.2.b - Non-Personal Names - which states that household names must have a designator such as "house", Rfs.III.2.b.iv - Household Names - which states household names must follow period patters, and AH III.A.7 - Protection of Trademarked Names - Darksun is a protected trademark registered to Wizards of the Coast.
Name returned for lack of paperwork, form, and conflict.
Gender: Female. The submitter is interested in a name authentic for Persian language/culture, and is most interested in the langualge/culture of the name. No major changes accepted.
The previously submitted name, Kaga Ruri, was returned on the March 2006 LoAR. The previously submitted device {Argent, in bend sinister a fan sable charged with a plate and a great wave reversed sable} was returned on the March 2006 LoAR. This is a complete name and armory redesign.
Delara: http://cleo.lcs.psu.edu/girl_names.html#D No dates are given. http://www.avesta.org/znames.htm cites "Delara" as a Parsi girl's name meaning "adorner of heart; beloved". The information comes from Dosabhai Framji Karaka, History of the Parsis I, London 1884. pp. 162-3. According to Karaka this is "an almost complete list of names of Parsi men and women in general use at present." Thus this name is dated by this source to 1884.
yi: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ursula/persian.html
Punel: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/IR/8/Punel.html. An Iranian place name. No dates given.
Commenters indicate that in general the formation of the name is acceptable. While no specific documentation of dates is given by the submitter, commenters provided various sources which will indirectly document the name to period - [Delara] as the name of the mother of Alexander the Great; [Dilárái] was apparently used in a translation of the [Shah Nameh] (http://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=06801286&ct=23) which was supposedly completed around 1010 CE; [-yi] is defined as an appropriate article for joining a given name which end in a vowel with locative bynames ("Persian Feminine names from the Safavid Period" by by Aryanhwy merch Catmael & Ursula Georges; http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ursula/persian.html).
Commenters were not able to provide any documentation that the town of [Punel] existed in period however.
Please remember that a proper summary and documentation must be included with submissions. Simply indicating the source documentation and including copies of that documentation is insufficient summary of the documentation. Summaries should include location of referenced material, explain the construction of the name, and document and date all the name spellings.
Please also note that for documentation purposes, complete webpages do not need to be printed out. Simply print out the header pages, and the pages with the specific citations needed.
The device is actually three piles in point, as a gyronny would have equal divisions, and they would be conjoined in the center of the field. Given that this is three piles, they violate Rfs.VIII.2.b.i - Contrast Requirements - which states that the field must have good contrast with all charges placed upon it. In this case, the three piles are of a color, and not a metal. Having a color (purple) on a colored field (blue) does not provide good contrast. Rfs.VIII.2.a - Contrasting Tinctures - defines good contrast, namely a metal on a color, or a color on a metal. This rule holds true even if this device were a form of gyronny.
Name returned for lack of documentation.
Device returned for violation of Rfs.VIII.2.b.i.
Conflict with [Conrad Stronghand] - August 2002: {Or, a wolf counter-salient sable, maintaining in its mouth a rose gules, barbed and seeded proper.}
Commenters note that changing the field to argent appears to clear it of all conflicts.
Commenters also note that the beasts should be drawn larger to fill more of the field, and the addition of some internal detailing would assist with identifiablity (an issue that could potentially cause a return).
Device returned for conflict.
Gender: Male. The submitter is interested in having a name authentic for his language/culture (that language/culture is, however, unspecified - presumably Irish). No changes accepted.
Sean: "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Sean" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Sean.shtml); examples exist from 1316 through the rest of SCA period.
MacRuaidhri: "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Ruaidhrí" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Ruaidhri.shtml); dated in this spelling from 1200 forward.
Ceallachan: "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Cellachán/Ceallachán" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cellachan.shtml); dated in this spelling from 1200 forward.
Documention for the formation of the name is presented from "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" (http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/). This formation would be interpreted as Sean, son of Ruaidhri, son of Ceallachan.
Commenters indicate that the articles cited show a different construction than that utilized by the submitter. Per the documentation submitted the name should be [Sean mac Ruaidhri Uí Ceallachan]. Note the lowercase [mac] separated from the patronymic, and the change of the clan affiliation identifier. The client has indicated they accept no changes, therefore the name must be returned for undocumented form.
Please also note that simply indicating the source documentation and including copies of that documentation is insufficient summary of the documentation. Summaries should include location of referenced material, explain the construction of the name, and document and date all the name spellings.
Name returned due to undocumented form.
Device returned due to lack of name to send it forward with.
Gender: Female. Changes accepted. The submitter's current name, Lucrezia Landino, was registered in July 2005. If the change is accepted, she would like to keep her previous name as an alternate.
Stephana and Magnyn: "14th-16th C Names from Valais, Switzerland" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/swiss/valais.html#4). The documentation states: "The following names are taken from 14th-16th century wills from Valais, Switzerland. The source divides the origins of the wills into four categories: In the cities, in the villages of the plain, in the villages of the slope, and in the mountains. (See notes for a full list). The documents, and hence the names, are all in Latin. The names appear to be most influenced by Occitan, though there is some influence of French, Italian, and German. Because so many different languages and dialects were spoken in this region, it is impossible to give vernacular (spoken) forms; these Latin forms are appropriate for written contexts or other contexts where Latin was used, but not for every day speech."
The name form submitted appears to be some form of home grown submission form. Administrative Handbook IV.C.1 - Submission Form - indicate that all submissions must be made on the appropriate forms. Please visit http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org or speak to your local branch herald for proper forms.
Name returned for lack of proper forms.
Gender: female. No changes accepted.
Zaahira: Academy of St. Gabriel report 3069 (http://www.s-gabriel.org/3069) locates the name to 15-16C Muslim Spain.
bint Lu'lu - A letter of permission to use this name from Baroness Nadrah bint Lu'lu' al al-Qadisi is included. No other documentation is provided.
al-Balansiyyahi: A letter of permission to use this name from Baroness Daifa Aisha al-Balansiyyahi is included. No other documentation is provided.
Commenters indicate that the double [a] in [Zaahira] should probably be changed to [?] in accordance with a November 2005 precedent:
Submitted as Khaliil ibn `Abd al-rah.maan, the name itself is fine, but there are some problems with the transcription. As submitted, the transcription is a non-standard form. For example, the spelling in the both the given name and the byname uses ii to represent a long vowel; double vowels are an ASCII representation of long vowels but are not part of any scholarly or SCA standard transcription. In the SCA standard, the long vowels are represented as {v-}. Also, in standard transcriptions the R in Ra{h.}maan is capitalized. We have changed the transcription to the SCA standard Da'ud notation and registered this name as Khal{i-}l ibn `Abd al-Ra{h.}m{a-}n. [Khal{i-}l ibn `Abd al-Ra{h.}m{a-}n, 11/05, A-Gleann Abhann]
Commenters also indicate that [Lu'Lu'] appears to be a masculine given name in Da'ud's article "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices" located at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm.
Commenters could find no documentation for [al-Balansiyyahi].
Permission to conflict with the two gentles mentioned above is not required for this name, as the submitted name passes under Rules for Submission (Rfs) V.1.b.i - Given Names - in that the given names are not the same, and Rfs V.1.b.iv - Change of Name Phrases - as each name has one phrase that is significantly different from each of the name phrases in the other names.
Please also note that simply indicating the source documentation and including copies of that documentation is insufficient summary of the documentation. Summaries should include location of referenced material, explain the construction of the name, and document and date all the name spellings.
Name returned for lack of documentation of the locative byname.
Commenters indicate that the turtle is currently drawn in trian aspect (e.g. a 3-D depition, at an angle, etc), and not in a normal heraldic posture (e.g. full front, from the side, etc). Precedents as recent as March 2003 have ruled that trian aspect is grounds for return:
Please advise the submitter to make some changes to the artwork. The submitter should be careful to draw the owl's body entirely in profile, rather than having the chest portion tilted slightly towards the viewer. An owl in a truly three-quarter view (also known as "trian aspect") would have had to be returned for a nonperiod heraldic posture.[Alfgeirr skytja, 03/03, A-Calontir]
Commenters also question the use of a sea-turtle vs. a regular turtle. No documentation was provided that it was a known animal within Europe during period or used as a heraldic charge.
Device returned for lack of name to send it forward with, and for redraw to remove trian aspect.
Name registered April 2004. Her previous device submission, {Vert, on a lozenge indented Or a lozenge gules}, was returned on the November 2005 LoAR:
"This device is returned for a redraw. The indents are numerous enough and shallow enough that the line of division appears to be created by pinking shears. This type of line of division has long been grounds for return. Overall, this device has the appearance of modern Southwestern art rather than medieval heraldry. Fewer, larger indents would reduce the modern appearance of this device as would drawing the lozenge in the standard orientation (palewise, rather than fesswise)."
Documentation of similar images from Imazighen Berber pottery and weaving is included.
As indicated in the original submission at Kingdom, this device should not be blazoned as a mascle, as it would be indented on both sides of the charge. What is depicted here is a lozenge indented charged with another. Per Laurel precedent this would not be a voided charge, as it has a different tincture from the field:
[Azure, a bend sinister vert fimbriated Or] This conflicts with Richard Andreivitch of Rus, Azure, on a bend sinister Or an estoile sable, and with Denis Flaxenhelm, Azure, on a bend sinister Or, a goblet upright sable. Per the LoAR of June 2002 and Laurel precedent before and after that date, an ordinary voided or fimbriated can also be interpreted as an ordinary charged with another of the same type. Under this interpretation, Thomas's submission must also be treated as Azure, on a bend sinister Or a bendlet sinister vert. Using this blazon, there is only one CD between Thomas's submission and the two registered armories for changes to the tertiary charges. [Thomas van Lubeck, 05/04, R-Meridies]
Blazon changed from {Vert, a mascle fesswide indented Or, voided gules} to {Vert, a lozenge indented Or charged with a lozenge gules} to allow for the fact that only one side of the charge is indented, you cannot void a mascle (an attempt to void a mascle would be closer to {a mascle within another}.
Commenters indicate that the documentation for this design as a period art form does not necessarily make it suitable for heraldry if it cannot be blazoned in a standard way. This is explained in the Rules for Submission VII.2 - Period Armorial Elements - which says "Use of an element in period art does not guarantee its acceptability for armory. Use of the Greek key design, which was common in period decorative art, never carried over into armory."
Device conflicts with Myfanwy o'Mwyle ni Cambion - August 81: {Vert, on a fusil throughout gules fimbriated, a goblet Or.} Per the above mentioned precedent, this can be viewed as {Vert, on a lozenge throughout Or a lozenge gules charged with a goblet Or.} There is a single CD for the indented line treatment on the Or lozenge, but no CD for the addition of the quaternary goblet.
Device returned for conflict.
The following items were pended until the November LoI/LoR:
Gender: Male. The submitter cares most about the sound of the name. Changes accepted.
Eoin: http://www.MedievalScotland.org/problem/names/iain.shtml (Arval Benicoeur) lists Eoin as an early medieval Irish form of Iohannes.
Kerr: Black, p. 395 (Kerr); p. 394 (Ker)
This name is pended due to a lack of a proper summary. A summary needs to cite the source of the documentation, and describe what the documentation states, including specific spellings and dates used. Simply citing a book page or a website is insufficient. Furthermore, no copies of external documentation sources were included.
Thus ends my Letter of Response.
In service and duty,
Furukusu Masahide
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August 2006 Letter of Presentation
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September 2006 Letter of Intent
January 2007 LoAR Results
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