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Outlands College of Heralds

September 11, 2007
From the Office of the Castle Herald
Baronessa Francesca di Pavia, OP, OL
castle@outlandsheralds.org

UNTO the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 13th day of September, A.S. xxxxii (2007 CE), does Maestra Francesca di Pavia send greetings on behalf of The Honourable Lady Marie de Blois, White Stag Principal Herald.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands Letter of Presentation for September 2007. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are undoubtedly mine.

Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to the White Stag Principal Herald by October 13, 2007, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for October 14, 2007.

Line Emblazon Sheet
Color Emblazon Sheet
September 2007 Letter of Presentation
October 2007 Letter of Response
October 2007 Letter of Intent
February 2008 LoAR Results
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1. al-Barran, Barony of. Name and badge resubmission for the Order of the Hammer of al-Barran. Fieldless, a hammer of Thor argent.
(al-Barran)
The original submission, Order of the Hammer, was returned on the December 2006 Letter of Acceptances and Returns: "This name conflicts with Hammer Pursuivant, registered to Meridies in April 1981. The descriptive elements are identical and the designators do not count for difference. We note that, if the Barony had a letter of permission to conflict from Meridies, the name Order of the Hammer of al-Barran would be registerable; although the addition of the group name would not clear the conflict, it would provide sufficient difference for such a letter to allow registration." The resubmission modifies the order name as recommended by Laurel. In addition, a letter of permission to conflict is included, signed by the King and Queen of Meridies.

I cannot find a previous submission of the badge.

2. Alrik Boleslavsson. New name and device. Per chevron, sable and argent, two lions rampant combattant and a tree blasted and eradicated counterchanged.
(al-Barran) Gender: Male. The submitter cares most about the language/culture of the name, and requests a name authentic for 9th Century Rus Viking. Changes accepted.
Alrik: dated to 800, Alrik, son of King Eirik of Uppsala, king of Vastergotland in Sweden. Unfortunately, all that is included from this source is a single photocopy. The source of this photocopy is not identified. A quote from a previous submission from another Kingdom, included in the submitter's packet: "'Alrik' is found on pp. 79 and 446 of A History of the Vikings by Gwyn Jones and cited as a king in Vastergotland, named on a runic stone, Saprlosa. 'Alric' is found in Reaney, 1976, p. 4, under the heading 'Aldrich' and is cited as being Old English circa 1066. We also find 'Alric' in Searle, 1969, p. 7 dated to 693." Can anyone help solidify this documentation?
Boleslavsson: Mike Campbell, Behind the Name: the Etymology and History of First Names (http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/rus.php) lists Boleslav as a Russian form of the Polish name Bolesław. Bolesław was the first King of Poland. A Dictionary of Period Russian Names by Paul Wickenden of Thanet (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/paul/bl.html) cites Boleslav, ecclesiastical staff of Prince Vsevolod, dated to 1569. The formation "-sson" is documented by analogy to the surname Ragnarsson - Academy of St. Gabriel report 1520 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1520+0)
The compatibility of the Swedish and Russian cultures of the two names is addressed in What Life Was Like When Longships Sailed: Vikings AD 800-1100, Time-Life Book Series, p. 78-80. No photocopies were included, but fortunately I own a copy of this book. The cited section tells the story of Harald Hardradi, who was exiled from Norway at the age of 15 after the death of his brother, King (Saint) Olaf, and fled to Sweden. He linked up with other exiles in Sweden and offered his and his men's services to Yaroslav the Wise, Price of Kiev and descendant of the old Swedish rulers of Kiev.

3. Ansteys Darcy. Name and device resubmission. Gules, a chevron ermine cotised Or and in base a rose argent, barbed and seeded sable.
(Caerthe) Gender: Female. The submitter cares most about both the sound ("Ahnstiss") and the language/culture (English, no date specified) of the name. Changes accepted.
The previously submitted name and device, Anastasia Vladimirovicha Alzhbetina, Gules, a chevron ermine cotised Or and in base a rose argent barbed and seeded sable, were returned on the December 2005 Letter of Response. The device was returned for lack of a name with which to submit it, with these comments: "Commenters indicate that the device appears to be clear of conflict. The client should draw the cotises wider on resubmission, as these charges are close to being too thin to identify (which can itself be a reason for return)."
Ansteys: Reaney & Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, under the header Anastasia, dated to 1221.
Darcy: Reaney & Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, dated to 1273 and 1276.

4. Ansteys Darcy. Badge resubmission. (Fieldless) A rose argent, barbed and seeded sable, conjoined to an annulet Or.
(Caerthe)
The previous submission, Fieldless a double rose argent barbed of ermine spots and seeded sable, was returned on the December 2005 Letter of Response for lack of a name with which to submit it, and for multiple conflicts: "Conflicts with An Tir, Kingdom of, registered August of 1979 for the Order of the Silver Rose: (Fieldless) A rose argent, barbed and seeded, slipped and leaved, proper. One CD for fieldlessness only. Conflicts with York, House of, registered in December of 1994 as important non-SCA badge: (Fieldless) A rose argent. One CD for fieldlessness only. Conflicts with BaIain Alisdair Padruig Seamus Andrea Stilbhard MacMhurich de Rannocha, registered August of 1979: Gyronny of eight or and gules, a rose argent barbed and seeded proper. One CD for fieldlessness only."

5. Broddi Hornabrjótr. New name and device. Per fess dancetty vert and sable, overall two bear paws argent.
(Dragonsspine). Gender: Male. No changes accepted.
Broddi: Geir Bassi Haraldsson, The Old Norse Name, 1st Ed.(1977), pg 9
Hornabrjotr: Geir Bassi Haraldsson, The Old Norse Name, 1st Ed. (1977), pg 23 - meaning "horn-breaker".

6. Kieran Blake. Badge resubmission. (Fieldless), a masculyn fleur-de-lysé per saltire argent and azure.
(Citadel of the Southern Pass)
The name was registered in February 2005. The previous submission, (Fieldless) A masculyn argent, was returned on the May 2006 Letter of Response for conflict: "Conflict with Teceangl Bach, registered December of 2000: (Fieldless) A mascle argent. One CD for Fieldlessness."

7. Slaine inghean Ui Sheanain. Device resubmission. Quarterly sable and argent, a thistle counterchanged.
(al-Barran)
The name was registered in September 2002. I am unable to locate the return of the previous submission.

8. Sorcha inghean Eoin. Name and device resubmission. Ermine, a water bouget azure within a bordure raguly vert.
(Citadel of the Southern Pass) Gender: Female. The submitter cares most about the language/culture of the name, defined as 14th Century Scottish. Changes accepted.
The previous submission, Sorcha inghean Eion, was returned on the April 2007 Letter of Response for lack of included documentation. This has now been provided, and a typographical error in the surname has been corrected.
Sorcha: Academy of St. Gabriel report 1203 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/1203.txt) states that this name was fairly common in medieval Ireland.
inghean: "Quick and Easy Gaelic Bynames (http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/) - "daughter of <father's name>"
Eoin: Kross, Sharon L. "Scottish Gaelic Given Names - Men" (http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/men/eoin.shtml): "The Islay Charter, a Scottish charter from the Lord of the Isles written in Gaelic and dated 6 May 1408, is witnessed by: Eoin <x> MacDomhnaill".

9. Thorstienn Vandringsmann. Device resubmission. Sable, on a cross nowy argent an Elder futhark rune Manaz sable, all within a bordure argent.
(Dragonsspine)
The name was registered in September 1995. The previous submission, Sable, a cross nowy argent surmounted by an elder futhark rune mannaz sable, was returned on the May 2007 Letter of Response for multiple conflicts and an unregisterable charge: "Commenters also indicate that per the January 1987 and September 1986 LoARs, runes are not allowed in a device (and are suggested for badges). Also per the January 1990 LoAR, if the Mannaz can be shown to have been used in period heraldry it could possibly be registered." The submitter includes an eight-page rebuttal of the concept that runes are unregisterable. I am not about to retype it here. If desired, I can scan it and send it to the List.

10. Tristan de Gilbert. Device resubmission. Argent, a palm tree couped sable and in base between two vols, on a point entee fleury gules, a vol argent.
(Citadel of the Southern Pass)
The name was registered in August 2004. On the same Letter of Acceptances and Returns the device submission, Argent, a palm tree couped sable and two vols, on a point pointed fleury gules a vol argent, was returned for a redraw: "The point pointed is too large, issuing from too high up the sides of the shield. Note that of the various devices with which the submitter has permission to conflict, the two for which we could get emblazons have points that are significantly smaller.The submitter has permission to conflict with Berold de Gilbert, Argent, a palm tree couped sable and in base between two Latin crosses fourchy, on a point entee fleury gules, a Latin cross fourchy argent, and with Roger de Gilbert, Argent, a palm tree couped sable and two roses proper one and two, on a point pointed fleury gules a rose argent barbed and seeded proper; it is one CD away from the device (Argent, a palm tree couped sable between in base two fleurs-de-lys, on a point pointed flory at the point gules, a fleur-de-lys argent) of Philippe de Gilbert, whose blanket letter of permission to conflict likewise appears earlier in this letter." Copies of the letters of permission to conflict from Berold de Gilbert and Roger de Gilbert are included with this resubmission.

11. Walkelin Montgomery. New name and device. Argent, a Japanese arrow notch inverted and in chief two chevronels couped braced, a bordure sable.
(Drygestan) Gender: Male. Submitter cares most about the sound of the name. No changes accepted. Note: the submitter intends the device to be a Japanese mon.
Walkelin: 1. "Ancestors of Joseph Lee GARNER" http://www.geocities.com/josephleegarner/ancestors/d4062.htm#P11162: "Walkelin (William) DE FERRIERES was born about 1140 in Of, Oakham, Rutlandshire, England. He died Aft 31 1189 Dec in Of, , Normandy, France. He was buried Bef 21 1190 Oct in , Siege Of Acre, Jerusalem, Palestine. He was christened in Of Castle, Tutbury, Staffordshire, England. He has Ancestral File number V9TF-DX. He was married to Sybil DE BRAOSE about 1173/74 in Of, , Sussex, England." 2. "Descendants of Sir Walkelin de Arderne" (http://www.armidalesoftware.com/issue/full/Thaler_727_main.html). sIR WALKELIN DE ARDERNE was born between 1127 and 1278, and died between 1182 and 1388. He married (ABH-2) AGNES DE ORREBY, daughter of (ABH-1) Philip and (YZ-3) Leuca (de MOHAUT) ORREBY." 3. Britannia (a site about British history - http://www.britannia.com/bios/walkelin.html): cites Walkelin, the first Norman Bishop of Winchester (d. 1098). 4. The Fines Roll of Henry III (http://www.finerollshenry3.org.uk/content/calendar/roll_009.html) also cites William, son of Walkelin in Lincoln (1217-1218).
Montgomery: 1. Reaney & Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, 3rd ed. p. 313, s.n. Montgomerie, lists Hugo de Montgomeri, de Montgumeri 1086. 2. Bardsley, A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, p. 538, s.n. Montgomery, says "of Montgomerie", near Lisieux in Normandy. Of this great family, which gave name to the shire and town of Montgomery in Wales..." but then goes on to add "it is more natural to refer back the surname to the Norman estate than to the county to which the family gave their name." Listed are Fulco de Mongomery 1273, Gregory de Montgomery 1273, Eliz. Mungumbery 1530, Margaret Montgomery 1745.

Thus ends the September 2007 Letter of Presentation.

Your servant,

Francesca di Pavia
Castle Herald