Outlands LoI dated 2010-02-28

31 January 2010

From the Office of Rampart Herald

Baron Randal Carrick (Randall Jackson)


Unto the Sovereigns and members of the College of Arms of the Society, does Randal Carrick, Rampart Herald send his greetings. What follows is the December Letter of Intent for the Kingdom of the Outlands. I would like to thank the following heralds for providing commentary for this letter: Furukusu Masahide, Aspen Pursuivant; Francesca di Pavia, Ray de Soleil Pursuivant; Andrew von Otelingen, Barbican Pursuivant; Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald; and Rohese de Dinan, Red Hawk Herald.

It is my intent to register this January the following items from the Outlands College of Heralds:

1: Carola von Naumburg - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2009, via the Outlands.

Quarterly gules and Or, 2 griffin heads erased and a tower counterchanged


Submitter's name was registered on the September 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/09/09-09lar.html) via the Outlands. Her previous device, Gules, two griffin heads erased Or, and a tower argent, was returned on the same LoAR, stating:



This device is returned for conflict with the badge of the Barony of Caer Mear, for their Order of the Pharos, Gules, atop a grey granite tower a copper brazier enflamed proper. The brazier is a maintained charge. Therefore, this is a conflict with only a single CD for the addition of the griffin's heads.

Please instruct the submitter that, on resubmission, the erasing of any heads should be closer to the style described on the cover letter to the November 2001 LoAR:

Therefore, for purposes of recreating period armorial style for erasing, the erasing should (1) have between three and eight jags; (2) have jags that are approximately one-sixth to one-third the total height of the charge being erased; and (3) have jags that are not straight but rather are wavy or curved.



Submitter has added a quarterly field and counterchanged the charges to clear the conflict, and drawn the griffon heads as recommended.

2: Carola von Naumburg - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2009, via the Outlands.

(Fieldless) On a tower per pale gules and Or, a griffin head counterchanged


Submitter's name was registered on the September 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/09/09-09lar.html) via the Outlands. Submitter's previous badge submission, (Fieldless) on a tower gules, a griffon head Or, was returned by Rampart on the Outlands October 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-09-lop/0910-lor.html), stating: "Conflict with (Fieldless) On a castle gules a griffin segreant Or (Griffin Wharvager, 01/2008 Atlantia), only the single difference for Fieldlessness (RfS X.4.a.iii) as Castles and Towers are not significantly different. It may be possible to get a letter of permission to conflict, as this is a recent registration."


Submitter has counterchanged the badge to clear the conflict.

3: Dagorix Nantonignos - New Name & New Device

Or, a bend sinister wavy between two wolf's pawprints azure

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for Gaul.

Gender: Male. Submitter desires his name to be authentic for the language/culture of Gaul.


[Dagorix] is from: Evans, D. Ellis. 1967. Gaulish Personal names. Oxfort University Press. P.189, header "Dago-, Daco-" and Whatmough, Joshua. 1970. The dialects of Ancient Gaul. Harvard University Press, Cambridge. P. 1271.


[Nantonignos] is from: "Name Constructions in Gaulish" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (Acadamy of St. Gabriel) (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/gaulish/) in the "Idionym + Patronym with <-(I)GNOS>" section.

Internal commenters noted that the documentation included with this submission did not include the key to reading the entries, and thus they were unable to verify any dates for the given name. Hopefully, someone with more knowledge of Gaulish naming practices will be able to help.

Blazon changed by Rampart from Or, between two wolf's pawprints, a bend sinister wavy azure.

4: Edmund Peregrine - New Name & New Device

Gules, in fess two keys palewise, wards to chief Or, and a bordure sable bezanty

No major changes.

[Edmund] - Documented from the Feastday of St. Edmund Rich, November 20, 1242, http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=3048. This site notes that the saint was born on November 30, 1180.


[Peregrine] - the name Geoffrey Peregrine was registered on the October 1993 LoAR via An Tir (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1993/10/lar.html) with no other comment.

Internal commentary provided additional documentation for the surname:


Peregrine: dated to 1243 "Misplaced Names in Reaney & Wilson" by Jeanne Marie Lacroix (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/misplacednamesbyname.htm)


Blazon changed by Rampart from Gules, in fess two keys palewise, wards to chief, and a bordure semy of bezants Or

5: Elena Isabella de Glastonbury - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of December 31, 2009 as submitted.

Vairy Or and sable, a rapier inverted argent entwined of the stems of two roses in profile gules slipped and leaved vert


Blazon changed by Rampart from Vair sable and Or, two roses proper entwined a rapier inverted argent.

Submitter's name was returned by Laurel on the May 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/05/09-05lar.html), and resubmitted to Laurel on the Outlands December 2009 LoI.

Submitter's previous device, Sable, a rapier inverted argent entwined of two roses gules, slipped and leafed vert, a bordure gules, was returned on the Outlands January 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2008-12-lop/0901-lor.html), stating:

"This device has been returned for contrast issues: there is poor contrast between the flowers and the field (colour-on-colour), and the stems are very thin. Additionally, the silvery-colour used to paint the rapier is unneeded, white is more easily recognised and the silvery-colour is a very dark grey which faded into the field. Artistic notes: the term 'garden rose' is unnecessary, a Rose is still a Rose; proper colouring for rapiers and swords is "argent, a hilt Or."



Submitter's next device submission, Or, a chief triangular sable, overall a rapier inverted proper entwined of two roses gules slipped and leafed vert, all within a bordure gules, was returned by Rampart on the Outlands August 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-07-lop/0908-lor.html), stating:

"The resbumission addresses some of the stylistic issues with the previous device while introducing more of it's own. The entertwined roses are now so thick as to be difficult to identify, and serve to isolate the proper (argent) sword from the Or field (metal on metal), and would not be easily reproduced from the emblazon. Additionally, the chief triangular should be redrawn to accurately reflect the charge: if it is a chief, it should be below the bordure; if it is a chevron inverted, it should come further down the field and have a shallower angle; if it is a pile, it should extend to the base of the field. Finally, if the sword is overall, it should overlap the bordure as well as the chief. For all of these reasons, this device is returned for a redraw."



Submitter has removed the chief and bordure, and chosen a neutral field to address the contrast issues from the previous submissions.

6: Fontaine dans Sable, Barony of - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2004, via the Outlands.

Azure, a battle axe bendwise sinister argent blade to base and distilling gouttes gules within eight fleur-de-lis in annulo bases outward argent.

This submission is to be associated with Order of the Silver Axe

Submitter's name was registered on the March 2004 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2004/03/) via the Outlands. This badge is to be associated with the Order of the Silver Axe

While there was some question of whether the gouttes were returnable for being color-on-color, I believe the only requirement for maintained charges such as this is _some_ contrast with the field, not _good_ contrast

7: Halvar Half-Hand - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2009, via the Outlands.

Per saltire gules and sable, a fess embattled between three bezants and a crossbow reversed Or


Submitter's name was registered on the May 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/05/09-05lar.html) via the Outlands.


Submitter's first device, Per saltire gules and sable, on a plate a crossbow vert, was returned by Kingdom on the January 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2008-12-lop/0901-lor.html), stating:

"Returned for conflict with Per pale sable and vert, on a plate a leaf vert. (Artemius of Hunters Home [2/07, Æthelmearc]). The change in the field grants a single Clear Difference; however there is not a Clear Difference between the tertiary charges, so this ends up conflicting."



Submitter's next device, Per saltire gules and sable, a fess embattled between three bezants fesswise and a crossbow inverted Or, was returned by Kingdom on the December 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-11-lop/0912-lor.html), stating:

"The fess is too high on the escutcheon. Almost ½ the height of the escutcheon is below the fess and less than ¼ above. The fess (including embattlements) should occupy the center 1/3 of the escutcheon. This would give the bezants "room to breathe", and would require the crossbow to be drawn slightly smaller. Return for redraw."



Submitter has re-drawn the device accordingly.

8: Olifer Einarsson - New Name & New Device

Per pale argent and sable two cranes respectant rampant counterchanged

Sound (given name to sound like "Oliver") most important.

Gender: not specified. Submitter cares most about the sound of the name, desiring that the given name sound like "Oliver". Changes accepted.


[Olifer] - The Surnames of Scotland, G.F. Black, p. 637, header "Oliver" lists Walter Olifer c.1180; in Shetland the Norse name Olaf (O.N. Oleifr) has been merged in Oliver.


[Einarsson] - Einarr is found in The Old Norse Name, Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, p. 9, meaning "son of Einarr". Per Geirr Bassi, the suffix -son "son" or -dottir "daughter" is added to the genetive case of the father's given name. The genitive is formed as follows ... -rr> -rs: Geirr> Geirsson ~ Geirsdottir.

Internal commenters note that the documentation provided for Olifer show it as a surname, but there's lots of documentation for the given name Oliver...

Blazon changed by Rampart from Per pale argent and sable two cranes respectant counterchanged, to better identify the posture of the cranes.

9: Rams Keep, College of - New Appeal of Kingdom Return of Branch Name


The name as submitted was returned by Rampart on the Outlands 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-10-lop/0911-lor.html), stating:

"Name returned for lack of documentation. Unfortunately, the word "Keep" as part of a place name is, without additional documentation showing a dated use as part of a place name, considered "SCA Compatible." Per the May 2008 Cover Letter, all SCA-Compatible status was revoked beginning with the May 2009 decision meetings, and all names must be fully documented without recourse to SCA-Compatibility. Due to the time it takes to get to a decision meeting, any submissions relying on SCA-Compatibility needed to be in Castle's hands by the beginning of December 2008. As we could find no documentation for the use of the word Keep in place names, the name must again be returned. Submitter is encouraged to appeal, with documentation of the circumstances surrounding the time gap between the previous submission and this submission, in order to be considered for a hardship exception under the old rules."



Submitter submits this appeal with copious documentation, which is summarized as follows:

The Members and Officers of the Incipient College of Rams Keep & the Barony of Unser Hafen respectfully appeals the November 2009 decision of Rampart Herald to return the name and device of the incipient College of Ram's Keep, a protectorate of the Barony, and Hereby requests that the College of Arms make a hardship exception for the College Branch Name and allow it to be registered under the pre-may 2008 convention of allowing the "SCA Compatible" name element of "Keep."

The reason that the Barony and College believe that a hardship case is applicable is that the resubmission should have occurred in 2005. But, due to officer change over in the Barony and College, neither the college's officers nor the Baronial Herald was aware of the issue until early 2009 - at which point they signed petition as soon as they could and turned in a resubmission. As a College within the Barony of Unser Hafen, we have been using the name "Ram's Keep" for at least 6 years.

In support of this request we present the following documentation. Attached, you should have a copy of every piece of paperwork I have been able to gather from numerous sources regarding the submission of the Name & Device of the College of Rams Keep.

This missive should contain: (15 Pages)

1) Appeal submission; Outlands Name form. December 12, 2009 (1 page)

2) This letter (2 Pages)

3) Letter from Her Excellency, Countess Rosalind of Wellmark, Baroness of Unser Hafen explaining the history & some of the issues the submission has encountered (1 page)

4) What I have of the Original Submission (2004): (4 pages)

a) Name Submission Form (02/01/2004)

b) Draft of Device Submission Form (02/01/2004)

c) Letter of Return (May 2004) (Problems: Lack of Petition, lack of Laurel Leaves in the Device. - This letter was only seen by the Seneschal of the Branch, Susan Woodard, in 2009.)

5) Mistress Theresea's letter of taking the Office (2005) (To document the change in office, which is one of the causes of the delayed realization.) (Rams Keep also experienced numerous office changes - though I am not very familiar with them.)

6) 2009 Resubmission 1: (2 pages) (Petition and Letter of Response; This submission was returned because the laurel wreath was not round enough & because the name had not been resubmitted with the device (as the Seneshal was under the impression it was already registered)).

7) 2009 Resubmission 2:

With the above documentation I hope to prove that it was not the College of Rams Keep's fault, but rather beaurocratic mistakes that have prevented the branch name "The College of Rams Keep" and their device from being submitted in a timelier manner back in 2005. Therefore I request that the pre-may 2008 precedence, which allows the term "keep" to be used in a branch name, be used in making the decision for this submission.

Internal commenters feel that, given the loss of files and lack of a herald for the branch during the time that a resubmission would have been acceptable, and that all they are asking for is permission to be allowed to use the word "Keep" as part of their branch name, this appeal should be granted by the College of Arms.

10: Wolf von der Muhle - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language (undefined) most important.
Culture (undefined) most important.

Gender: Male. Submitter cares most about the language/culture of the name, left undefined. Submitter will not accept major changes to the name.


[Wolf] - Submitter includes a printout from German Given Names from 1495 (www.sit.wisc.edu/~sfriedemann/names/german1495.htm) dated 2/5/2003 showing 1 instance of the spelling [Wolff]. However, this site no longer exists to verify this information (Castle Note: German Names from Nürnberg, 1497 by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/german/nurnberg1497.html) shows 1 instance with the spelling [Wolf] as a masculine given name in the surrounding areas).


[von der Muhle] - Submitter includes a printout from "the Genealogical Tree of Anna von der Muhle" (http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Th.J.F.Schalke/godfried/6.html) shows Anna von der Muhle born in 1580.

Internal commenters note that genealogical sites are not acceptable for documentation. In German, "Muhle" should be "Mühle"(meaning "Mill") or "Muhl" (meaning either "Mill" or "Mule") (see Deutsches Namen-lexikon - no dates). Bahlow has the same information, also with no dates.

Respectfully submitted,

Baron Randal Carrick, Rampart Herald

Kingdom of the Outlands