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Outlands College of Heralds

March 11, 2012 From the Office of the Castle Herald
Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a
castle@outlandsheralds.org

Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 11th day of March, A.S. XLV (2012 CE), does Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a send greetings on behalf of Sheik Omar Mohammud Mirzazadeh, White Stag Principal Herald.

 

It would assist Castle Herald greatly in the future if you would e-mail a copy of the documentation summary for name submissions along with the paper copies.  It saves having to re-type everything again.  Also, please be sure that you include dates of registration and return for armory for previously registered names and resubmissions of any kind.  If Castle can't find where an item was returned, it may be pended until the information is provided or payment is made for a new submission.

 

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands Letter of Presentation for March 2012. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are my sole responsibility.  Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by April 15, 2012, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for April 18, 2012.  As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.


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1. Akilina Ianikitova. New Name and Device. Purpure, a mouse dormant and a natural lily argent.

(al-Barran) Gender: Female. Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares most about language/culture, 'Kievon Rus'.

 

Submitted as AKILINA IANIKITOVA.

 

[Akilina] - 'Dictionary of Period Russian Names' by Paul Wickenden of Thanet (http://heraldry.sca.org/paul/a.html)

 

[Ianikit] - 'Dictionary of Period Russian Names' by Paul Wickenden of Thanet (http://heraldry.sca.org/paul/h-j.html) - Ianikitova being the feminine variant.

 

 

2. Alamanda de la Roca. New Device. Per chevron azure and argent, three mullets of eight point one and two argent and a salamander rampant sable.

(Fontaine dans Sable) Submitter's name was registered on the July 2010 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/07/10-07lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

 

3. Andrew von Otelingen. New Household Name, Blue Barrel Inn, and New Badge to be associated with Blue Barrel Inn. Fieldless, a barrel azure hooped argent.

(Caer Galen). Submitter will accept changes and desires authenticity for 'A SCA appropriate household name in English'.

 

Submitter's name was registered on the May 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/05/09-05lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

[Inn] - Per Precedent on the February 2002 LoAR “Inn is an acceptable designator for a household name”. (Kathryn atte Unicorn, Feb ’02, Ansteorra). (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/02/02-02lar.html)

 

[Blue Barrel] - That same precedent discusses the use of “inn sign names” – names based on the sign’s picture. This rule is also discussed in many other precedents though a full RULE for it was not found. As the name matches the Badge to be associated with it, the submitter believes it is appropriate.

 

Submitter states: 'I desire the household name to fit with its easily-reproducible badge and vice versa. I appreciate any needed attempt to fix either. If either is found un-workable, I request both be returned that I can try to find another alternative.'

 

 

4. Basseva bat Salamon. New Name and Device. Argent, a swan niaint sable between three roses purpure barbed and seeded proper.

(Drygestan) Gender: Female. Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR or MINOR changes and cares most about meaning and language/culture, 'Jewish - see documentation'.

 

[Basseva] - 'Jewish Women's Names in 13th to 15th Century Navarre' by Julia Kahan (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juetta/nav_intro.html)

 

[bat] - 'daughter of'

 

[Salamon] - 'Medieval Spanish Jewish Names of the 13th and 14th Centuries' by Julia Smith and Josh Mittleman (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/iberian-jewish/)

 

 

5. Elizabeth Anne Grene. Device Resubmission (Kingdom). Per pale purpure and vert within a bordure argent.

(Fontaine dans Sable) Submitter's name was registered on the March 2011 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/03/11-03lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

Previous device, Argent, in bend sinister two banners purpure and vert, each suspended from poles fesswise sable, was returned on the May 2010 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2010-04-lop/1005-lor.html) for absence of a name to go with it then it was returned on the December 2011 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2010-11-lop/1012-lor.html) stating the following:

{Because banners can be a form of heraldic display, each must be conflict-checked separately, as well as the overall device. In this case, vert is protected as the important non-SCA flag of Libya. Therefore, this device must be returned for conflict.}

 

 

6. Fontaine dans Sable, Barony of. New Order Name. Order of the Fleur and Fountain.

(Fontaine dans Sable) Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes.

 

Submitter's name was registered on the March 2004 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2004/03/04-03lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

Order of the Fleur and Fountain is meant to be an Order Name based on the pattern "two charges" listed in Juliana de Luna's article, ' Medieval Secular Order Names' (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new/)

 

Fleur-de-lys is a heraldic charge used in period and in the SCA. Fountain is a heraldic charge used in the SCA.

 

 

7. Fontaine dans Sable, Barony of. New Order Name. Order of the Daffodil.

(Fontaine dans Sable) Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes.

 

Submitter's name was registered on the March 2004 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2004/03/04-03lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

Order of the Daffodil is meant to be an Order Name based on the pattern "charge" listed in Juliana de Luna's article, ' Medieval Secular Order Names' (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new/)

 

Daffodil is a heraldic charge used in the SCA.

 

 

8. Gottfried von Zollern. New Name.

(al-Barran) Gender: Male. Submitter will accept changes and cares most about sound, '"God-free"'.

 

[Gottfried] - Ref. the German poet and romancer, Gottfried von Strassburg (1165-1215)

 

[Von Zollern] - Ref. Berthold von Zollernm, Prince Bishop of Eichstätt. (1320-1365)

 

 

9. Hélène Boudin. New Household Name. Smiling Bull Inn.

(Bofharrach) Submitter will accept changes and desires authenticity for 'A SCA appropriate household name in English'.

 

Submitter's name was registered on the September 2006 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2006/09/06-09lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

[Inn] - Per Precedent on the February 2002 LoAR “Inn is an acceptable designator for a household name”. (Kathryn atte Unicorn, Feb ’02, Ansteorra). (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/02/02-02lar.html)

 

[Smiling Bull] - This follows the pattern of <adjective> + <noun> set forth in the precedent for “Inn of the Weeping Unicorn”, Feb ’02 via Ansteorra (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/02/02-02lar.html). Precedent states: “As weeping was documented as meaning 'crying' in period, and a weeping unicorn is an image that could be visually depicted on a sign, this name is registerable.” Smiling is an adjective that can be depicted visually on a sign and therefore this fits the pattern.

 

The submitter would like the following badge associated with this name:

Argent, a bull statant gules maintaining on its back a lantern sable, a chief checky sable and argent. The badge was registered on the September 2011 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/09/11-09lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

 

10. Isaac Fulk Hod. New Name and Device. Argent on a fess sable between two boars passant to sinister gules, three towers argent.

(Rio de las Animas) Gender: Male. Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes.

 

[Isaac] - 'Men's Given Names from Early 13th Century England' by Brian Scott (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/eng13/eng13m.html)

 

[Fulk] - 'Masculine Given Names Found in the 1296 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Rutland' by Karen Harris (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/Rutland/given-masc-alpha.htm)

 

[Hod] - 'Bynames Found in the 1296 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Rutland, England' by Karen Harris (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/Rutland/bynamesalphabetically.htm)

 

 

11. Jehennette van Mynden. New Device. Argent issuant from dexter chief a schnecke vert in sinister canton a martlet azure.

(Caer Galen) Submitter's name was registered on the January 2012 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/01/12-01lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

 

12. John Vyse of York. New Name and Device. Ermine, a hound's head erased gules.

(Unser Hafen) Gender: Male. Submitter will accept changes and cares most about language/culture, '14th Century English'.

 

[John] - 'Masculine Given Names Found in the 1332 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Lincolnshire, England' by Kathleen M. O'Brien http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/LincLSR/GivenMasculineFreq.html

 

[Vyse] - 'Surname Database: Vyse' (http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Vyse) English Surname of Old French Orgin, variant of Vise. Vise is dated to 1327.

 

[of York] - Locative surname. City in England. 'History of medieval York - Origins and early growth' (http://users.trytel.com/tristan/towns/york1.html)

'The City of York - Origin of York' (http://www.yorkshire-england.co.uk/YorkCity.html)

 

 

13. Jürgen Thode der Smutje. New Name and Device. Per fess sable and argent, a lion passant and an anchor counterchanged.

(al-Barran) Gender: Unspecified. Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes.

 

[Jürgen] - Bahlow's Vornamena, pg. 58. variant of George (reflexive). The genitive combination like Saint Jürgen-Hospital.

 

[Thode] - Gentry's translation of Bahlow's Surnames. T(h)ode in LGer:Fris. a Fris. variant of Thede and Thade. Dated to 1307 - Bruneke Toden (son of) Thode.

 

[der Smutje] - is an occupation byname translated as 'the ship's cook'

 

Additional portions of the submitter's summary are available as image scans on OSCAR (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=1272)

 

Citation for double given names in German [Rosalinda Gertrude Kesselheim, Atenveldt, December 1999 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1999/12/lar.html)]

 

 

14. Liepa Jonaite. Name Resubmission (Kingdom).

(Villaleon) Gender: Female. Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes, cares most about language/culture, 'Lithuanian 12c-15c', and desires authenticity for language/culture, 'Lithuanian 12c-15c'.

 

Submitter's prior name, Liepa Jonaskaite, was returned on the June 2011 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2011-05-lop/1106-lor.html) stating the following:

{Returned for lack of documentation for the patronymic. We don't know enough to say whether the argument for the first name is solid, but it's not clear where the 'k' in the patronymic comes from. The examples given formed from names ending in -s drop the -s and add -ite, so we would expect Jonas - s + ite = Jonaite. Where does the interpolated 'k' come from? "Jonaskaite" implies a father named "Jonaskas", which no documentation is provided for.}

 

Submitter has opted for the suggestion of Jonaite.

 

The submitter has provided pages of summary with cited sources (http://tinyurl.com/liepajonaite). Scans of the her summary can also be found on OSCAR (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=1272)

 

 

15. Nest verch Gryffry. New Name.

(Bofharrach) Gender: Female. Submitter will accept changes, cares most about language/culture, '11th Century Welsh', and desires authenticity for language/culture and time period, '11th Century Welsh'.

 

[Nest verch Gryffry] - 'A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names' by Heather Rose Jones (http://s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html)

 

A scan of additional documentation is available on OSCAR (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=1272)

 

 

16. Sabyn Edwards. Device Resubmission (Laurel). Per pale vert and purpure a dragonfly volant argent all within a bordure argent.

(Rio de las Animas) Submitter's name was registered on the November 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/11/09-11lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

Submitter's previous device, Per pale vert and purpure, a dragonfly argent, was returned on the November 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/11/09-11lar.html) stating the following:

{This device is returned for conflict with the device of Mairghread Maire Draigdaimhalachd, Per saltire azure and vert, a dragonfly tergiant displayed argent, orbed Or. There is a single CD for the changes to the field.}

 

Submitter added a bordure to add another CD.

 

 

17. Stigr Robertsson. New Name.

(Caer Galen) Gender: Male. Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares most about language/culture, '1000AD Norse'.

 

All names found in Geirr-Bassi Heraldsson's 'Old Norse Name'

 

[Stigr] - pg. 15

 

[Robert] - pg. 15

 

[Robertsson] - patronymic formed as per examples on pg. 17

 

 

18. Ulūs Ötegedai. New Name and Device. Azure, within horns of a crescent argent, a bear dormant Or.

(Bofharrach) Gender: Male. Submitter will accept changes and cares most about meaning and language/culture, 'Yuan Dynasty Mongol man, meaning "hungry bear"'.

 

[Ulūs] - 'Mongolian etymology' (http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/main.cgi?flags=eygtnnl) Scan of this name's information is also on OSCAR (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=1272)

 

[Ötegedai] - Academy of St. Gabriel Report 3375 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/3375.txt)

"Ötege" is Middle Mongolian for "bear". While this article indicates that this would be a perfectly appropriate name for a Mongolian man living between 1250-1400, it also says that, for some Mongol groups, the bear was a totem animal and their "real" name was too sacred to speak. Near the end of the article, the author says that adding the suffix "-dai" was a common way of modifying nouns to make personal names.

 

[Descriptor + Noun] - Academy of St. Gabriel Report 3375 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/3375.txt)

 

 

19. Ulūs Ötegedai. New Alternate Name, Étienne Navarre de Lyon.

(Bofharrach) Gender: Male. Submitter will accept changes and cares most about spelling, 'As close as possible to Étienne Navarre de Lyon'.

 

Submitter's name is submitted on this letter.

 

[Étienne] - 'Sixteenth Century Norman Names' by Triste Elliot (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/cateline/norman16.html)

 

[Navarre] -'French / Occitan Names from the XIII Century (B)' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ramon/occitan/occitan_b.html)

 

[de Lyon] - Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2904 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2904.txt) "Instead, we recommend <de Lion> found in the 1446 census, as the byname of a very rich, possibly noble, man. [4] The name of the city is also spelled <Lyon> in this source, so <de Lyon> is also a reasonable byname."

 

Submitter states: 'I specifically prefer Étienne over Estienne which is permissible per the October 2010 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/10/10-10lar.html) - "The spellings Etienne and Étienne seem to both appear in the 16th century; however, Estienne remains the most common form of the name until well after the end of our period." (Étienne Renard d’Argent; Oct 2010 via ÆTHELMEARC)'

 

 

20. Ulūs Ötegedai. New Badge. Fieldless, a bear dormant Or.

(Bofharrach) Submitter's name is submitted on this letter.

 

 

21. William de Kingsley. New Name and Device. Argent on a cross azure between four eagles displayed sable, a cross crosslet Or.

(al-Barran) Gender: Male. Submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares most about sound and language/culture.

 

[William] - ' Normans at the Battle of Hastings' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/hastings.html)

 

[de Kingsley] - 'Richard de Kingsley' (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/M1GS-B9J)

 

[Kingsley] - found on an IGI search under Catherine Kingsley, batch number T991230

 

 

22. Yildiz of Misrian. New Name and Device. Per bend argent and vert, a magpie proper and a rondel of 8 points argent.

(Caer Galen) Gender: Female. Submitter will accept changes.

 

[Yildiz] - 'Yildiz' (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/y%C4%B1ld%C4%B1z)

The King's Dictionary The Rasûlid Hexaglot, pg. 133. Scans included in OSCAR (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=1272)

 

[Misrian] - Was a major settlement in Dehistan, a major stop on the Silk Road. Further information available with the summary scan on OSCAR (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=1272) but no exact documentation provided.

 

 

23. Yildiz of Misrian. New Badge. Fieldless, on a rondel of 8 points argent fimbriated vert, a magpie proper.

(Caer Galen) Submitter's name is submitted on this letter.

 

 

 

Thus ends the March 2012 Letter of Presentation.

 

In Service,

Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a 

Castle Herald

 

 

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