31 January 2010

From the Office of Rampart Herald

Baron Randal Carrick (Randall Jackson)


Unto the Sovereigns and members of the College of Arms of the Society, does Randal Carrick, Rampart Herald send his greetings. What follows is the December Letter of Intent for the Kingdom of the Outlands. I would like to thank the following heralds for providing commentary for this letter: Furukusu Masahide, Aspen Pursuivant; Francesca di Pavia, Ray de Soleil Pursuivant; Andrew von Otelingen, Barbican Pursuivant, Lady Leonor Ruiz de Lison; Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald; Rohese de Dinan, Red Hawk Herald and Lord Ermenrich von Duisburg.

It is my intent to register this January the following items from the Outlands College of Heralds:

1: Ęšeluulf munuc - Resub Device (Correct) (Comment)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2007, via the Outlands.

Counter-ermine, a stright trumpet Or surmounted by a ram's head cabossed argent armed Or


Submitter's name was registered on the November 2007 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2007/11/07-11lar.html) via the Outlands

Submitter's previous device submission, Counter-ermine, a ram's head caboshed argent horned and jessant of a straight trumpet Or, was returned on the same letter, stating:



This device is returned for combining two elements each of which is a step from period practice. The period motif of a lion's face jessant-de-lys, with a lion's or leopard's head cabossed and a fleur-de-lys issuant from the back of its head and out its open mouth, was the basis for this design; but we have no examples of the motif that uses any head but a lion's head, or any jessant charge but a fleur-de-lys. In theory, one might substitute another type of head, but precedent speaks to that issue:

[considering an owl's head jessant-de-lis] There was ... some concern that we here we are getting too far from period practice. (Period practice being leopard's head jessant-de-lys; one step from period practice being other beast's heads; and two steps from period practice being other types of heads, including birds' heads.) [Eudoxia d'Antioche, 03/96]

In theory, one might also substitute another type of jessant charge: but the history of the lion's face jessant-de-lys makes that improbable as a period motif. The original form of the arms of Cantilou or Cantilupe, Gules, three fleurs-de-lys Or, was modified c.1290 to Gules, three leopards' heads jessant-de-lys Or [Wagner's Historic Heraldry of Britain, p. 43]; so the heads were a modification of the fleurs-de-lys, not the other way around. There are, of course, other examples of animals' heads transfixed by pointed charges (swords, spearheads, etc.) in period; but the specific motif of a head jessant-de-[charge] is unique and separate from those. We must rule, based on the motif's history, that having a head jessant any charge besides a fleur-de-lys is likewise a step from period practice.

So we have the use of a head (not a leopard's) jessant, which is one step from period practice; and the use of jessant-de-[not a fleur-de-lys], which is a second step from period practice. (And the ram's head here is definitely jessant: the gold of the trumpet is seen coming out of the ram's mouth, and is in front of the lower jaw.) The two steps together bring this beyond the permissible bounds of heraldic style; it must be returned.

Mind you, if this had been Counter-ermine, a straight trumpet Or surmounted by a ram's head cabossed argent armed Or, it would have been acceptable style; and we were tempted to register it that way. But we cannot register a manifestly incorrect blazon merely to avoid a stylistic problem; by the correct blazon for what was submitted, this must be returned.



Submitter then appealed the return, and it was returned again on the November 2008 LoAR(http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/11/08-11lar.html) stating:



This was an appeal of a Laurel return of this same emblazon. The submitter points out that we register the emblazon, not the blazon, and asks that we use the suggested blazon of "a trumpet surmounted by a ram's head" and register this device.

The submitter has, unfortunately, apparently misunderstood the (somewhat poorly worded) return in November 2007. It is true that we change the blazon as necessary to describe the emblazon. Close examination of this emblazon shows it to be confusing: there is definitely a lower jaw line. Though they are not perfectly aligned, the lines of the trumpet appear to extend upward past the bottom edge of the jaw and terminate at the top of the mouth. Determination of whether or not this arrangement is jessant must, therefore, be determined by the tincture of this rectangle. This rectangle is clearly tinctured Or, which means that it is part of the trumpet, causing it to appear to issue from the mouth. This appearance, with that rectangle considered part of the trumpet, is why the November

2007 LoAR blazoned it, correctly, as a "Ram's head jessant of a straight trumpet", since that blazon describes what the emblazon shows.

Due to the extended discussion of the submitter's intent at the meeting, we decided to refer to the original submission form. There, the submitter blazoned the motif as "Counter-Ermine, a ram's head caboshed argent horned and jessant of a straight-trumpet Or". The submitter appears to have emblazoned exactly that design (jessant, not surmounted), which means that the original return was correct.

The wording of the original return, mentioning the temptation to blazon it as a head surmounting a trumpet, appears to have been expressing frustration that this was so close to being registerable except for the small yellow rectangle, not a suggestion for a legal blazon under which that emblazon could have been registered.

We must also point out the Administrative Handbook, Section IV.

"General Procedures for Submissions", section C, "Completed Paperwork", subsection 1 "Submissions Forms", which says "Appropriate forms must be included for all submissions, including appeals, resubmissions, name changes, etc." (emphasis added). No paperwork was submitted for this appeal, so we would be within our rights to return this submission on that basis alone.



Submitter has re-drawn and re-blazoned the device to what Laurel wanted to register originally.

2: Ęšeluulf munuc - New Badge (Correct) (Comment)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2007, via the Outlands.

Vert, a stag passant argent maintianing in its foreleg a cross-headed staff bendwise sinister Or


Blazon changed by Rampart from Vert, a stag statant argent, maintaining in its sinister foreleg an archbishop's cross Or.

3: Ęšeluulf munuc - New Badge (Correct) (Comment)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2007, via the Outlands.

Barry wavy argent and azure, a herring haurient embowed gules surmounted by a bar gemel sable


Submitter's previous badge, Barry wavy argent and azure, a herring gules overall a bar gemmellied sable, was returned by Kingdom on the April 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-03-lop/0904-lor.html), stating: "Commenters indicated that there were an insufficient number of bars on the field to make this a good and clear 'barry-wavy', and that the herring needed to be drawn larger to fill the space. Thus, this is returned for a redraw"

Submitter has re-drawn the badge to be properly barry wavy, and has made the herring bigger.


Blazon changed by Rampart from Barry wavy argent and azure, a herring gules overall a bar gemel sable.

4: Cįelainn ingen Chįemgein hui Thaidc - New Device (Correct) (Comment)

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Per pale argent and purpure, two annulets conjoined in fess counterchanged


Submitter's name was registered on the May 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/05/09-05lar.html) via the Outlands

Submitter's previous device submission, Per pale purpure and argent, a Greek symbol 1000 voided, counterchanged, was returned by Kingdom on the January 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2008-12-lop/0901-lor.html), stating: "This device was originally returned for using an abstract symbol (The Greek character for 1000, commonly recognized as an infinity symbol). The device was resubmitted with no changes, so still falls afoul of this precedent and must be returned again"


Submitter has re-drawn and re-blazoned the device to more properly represent two annulets conjoined in fess.

5: Dauid of the Isles - New Device (Correct) (Comment)

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of March 31, 2009 as submitted.

Or, a ship under sail gules, on a point pointed ployé azure a compass star Or


Submitter's name was registered on the July 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/07/09-07lar.html) via the Outlands.


Submitter's previous device submission, Or, a lymphad sable sailed gules, a point pointed ployé azure, was returned by Kingdom on the March 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-02-lop/0903-lor.html), stating: "It was raised in commentary that the mundane "Lord of the Isles", a British title held by the Duke of Rothsay (the Heir-Apparent of to the Throne of Scotland, currently HRH The Prince Charles) uses a sable lymphad in it's arms, and this charge, combined with the surname "of the Isles" could be considered presumptious, thereby falling afoul of RfS XI.2 "Armory that asserts a strong claim of identity in the context of the submitters name is considered presumptuous."


Submitter has changed the tincture of the lymphad to remove the appearance of presumption, and added a compass star to the point.

Blazon changed by Rampart from Or, a lymphad under sail gules, on a point pointed ployé azure a compass star Or. As noted by commenters: "According to the PicDic entry for "ship", the default lymphad has its sail set and its oars in action. Note that here, although these oars are shipped, there are no oarports indicated, which is one of the ways to distinguish a lymphad from a generic ship. One might also note that she's going to be hard to steer with no rudder".

6: Emma Lyliewhyt - New Name (Correct) (Comment)

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound (undefined) most important.

Gender: Female. Submitter cares most about the sound of the name. changes accepted.


[Emma] - found in "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyAG.html) and states: "Emma - 1130 Hampstead; 1187 Emm; 1195 Normanville; 1197 Boterell; 1198 Sinclair; 1205 Winston; 1212 Beaufoy; 1214 Converse; 1218-19 Shoe; 1219 Emm; 1220 Brook; 1221 Leverett; 1227 Fett; 1236 Beaufoy; 1240 ***; 1242 Poddington; 1244 Darling; 1275 Earl; 1279 Haylet; 1289 Cobbler; 1296 Pilling; 1297 Athorn; 1298 Glaston; 1301 Soper; 1307 Souster; 1313 Wellock; 1317 Sloper; 1323 Plaster; 1324 Allmark; 1327 Catchpole; 1332 Jacob; 1353 Emmatt; 1371 Markham; 1372 Springall; 1379 Cockney; 1381 xviii; 1401 (W); 1413 Emmatt; 1457-58 Bodley"


[Lyliewhyt] - found in Reaney and Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, (paperback 1997 ed.) p. 279. The first recorder spelling of the family name is shown to be that of John Lyliewhyt, dated 1376, in the "Court Rolls of Colchester" during the reign of King Edward 1.

7: Katherina von Lehmann - Resub Appeal of Laurel Return of Name (Correct) (Comment)

No holding name.
No changes.

This is actually an appeal of an inaction, since the name was never actually returned by Laurel. As far as any records go, it has essentally been pended since 1990.

Submitter first submitted this name, along with her device, in late 1989. On the August 1990 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1990/08/lar.html), Laurel registered the device, with no mention of the name. Since that time, several Principal Heralds simply assumed that the name was registered at the same time as the device. However, the Laurel files show the name documentation from 1989, and the action notes show name pending at Laurel. The submitting branch destroyed all the files when the branch dissolved several years ago.

Therefore, per Pelican and Laurel, this name is being resubmitted directly to the College of Arms, without internal commentary from Kingdom, and is to be considered under the standards used in 1990.

Per Pelican:



Apologies for not responding to this earlier -- I thought I'd seen a reply saying essentially "resubmit the name, noting the issues that make it a hardship case, and it'll be considered under the rules and standards which were in place at the time of the original submission." In any case, even though that email doesn't appear to have been sent out, that's how I think this should be handled. The submission does need to go through the standard channels of commentary, but the standard to which it will be judged will be the one that was in place at the time the submission would have been considered if it had actually been submitted.

-Aryanhwy, Pelican



[Katherina] - listed as occurring nine times in Nurnburg in Aryanhwy's "German Names from Nürnberg, 1497" http://heraldry.sca.org/names/german/nurnberg1497.html


[von Lehmann] - Bahlow, (freq. in Sax., Sil., Lausitz, see Bahlow SN, p. 111, Brech., p. 165). from MHGG lźhen, lźn 'fief, feudal property', lźheman, lenman 'tenant holding a feudal tenure on farming property' (which was granted by the overlord for life, in some cases as a hereditary fief)

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 http://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=413/2010-01-29/11-50-55_Katherina commentary.jpg
#2 http://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=413/2010-01-29/11-50-55_Katherina device.jpg
#3 http://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=413/2010-01-29/11-50-55_Katherina name.jpg

8: Llywus ap Alan - Resub Badge (Correct) (Comment)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2003, via the Outlands.

(Fieldless) In fess a candle enflamed in a sconce Or sustained by a natural panther sejant sable armed argent


Submitter's name was registered in September 2003 via the Outlands (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2003/09/03-09lar.html).


Submitter's previous badge submission, A natural panther sejant sable maintaining a lit candle in a sconce Or, was returned by Laurel on the July 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/07/09-07lar.html), stating: "This is returned for conflict with the device of Gilles of Lennox, Or, a domestic cat sejant, paw extended sable. There is a single CD for fieldlessness, but nothing for the maintained charge."


Submitter's previous badge emblazon can be found here: http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-02-lop/0902emblazons.html. Submitter has re-drawn the candle and sconce larger, so as to be co-primary with the panther as a sustained charge to clear the conflict.

9: Meliore Gimigna Fioravanti - New Badge (Correct) (Comment)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2009, via the Outlands.

(Fieldless) A pomegranate seeded Or within a serpent involved gules


Submitter's name was registered on the February 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/02/09-02lar.html) via the Outlands.

10: Outlands, Kingdom of the - New Badge (Correct) (Comment)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 1986, via the Outlands.

Pily bendy Or and vert, in pale a stag's attire fesswise gules and a mountain of three peaks sable charged with an apple tree eradicated Or fructed gules

This submission is to be associated with Outlands, Kingdom Of


11: Sander Tauernier - New Name Change (Correct) (Comment)

Old Item: Dominique Delvaux d'Ardennes, to be released.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
Meaning (undefined) most important.

Gender: Male. Submitter cares most about the meaning of the name, left undefined. Changes Accepted. If this name is registered, submitter wishes to release the old name.


Submitter's original name was registered in May 1997 via Atenveldt (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1997/05/lar.html).


[Sander] - found in "Dutch Names 1358-1361" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman), http://heraldry.sca.org/names/dutch/earlydutch14.html.


[Tauernier] - attributed the meaning "Innkeeper" in "Names in the Low Lands 1250-1300 - High-medieval given names and bynames in The Netherlands and Flanders: Occupational names and nicknames" by Dr. Kees C. Nieuwenhuijsen, http://www.keesn.nl/name13/en4_list_by.htm. This is indicated to be the original spelling from the Middlenederlands language.

12: Vanna Lucia Taormina - New Device (Correct) (Comment)

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 1999, via the Outlands.

Quarterly sable and gules a butterfly and a bordure embattled argent


Submitter's name was registered on the April 1999 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1999/04/lar.html) via the Outlands.


Submitter's previous device submission, Gyronny sable and gules, a butterfly argent within a bordure embattled argent, was returned by Kingdom on the May 2003 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2003-03-lop/lor0503.html), stating:




This device will be returned, as the use of the two-color gyronny field violates RfS VIII.2.b.iv. "Elements evenly divided into multiple parts of two different tinctures must have good contrast between their parts." The division of this field is especially obscured by the butterfly and bordure.

al-Jamal: (device) Yup, too many divisions of the field to be all color (here, black and red). The first "argent" in the blazon is unnecessary: "In blazoning a Coat of Arms in which two or more Charges of the same Tincture immediately follow each other in the Blazon, it is not necessary to mention the tincture until all the Charges of such Tincture have been specified." (John E. Cussans, Handbook of Heraldry, 1882, p. 161)

Musimon: (device) Aside from the tincture problems noted in the LoP, there is a redundant argent in the blazon. The client should probably be made aware that there is already somebody in this kingdom with armory similar to what she is submitting: Sidonia of Seven Oaks (1/90 via the Outlands): Azure, a butterfly argent between four acorns in cross Or, all within a bordure embattled argent. There is a CD for changes to the field and another for removal of the secondaries, but the fact that Sidonia is also from the Outlands may be worth consideration.

ACTION: Device returned for contrast issues.




Submitter has re-drawn the device quarterly to avoid the contrast issues from the previous submission

Respectfully submitted,

Baron Randal Carrick, Rampart Herald

Kingdom of the Outlands