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Outlands College of Heralds

August 16, 2009
From the Office of the Castle Herald
Baron Randal Carrick
castle@outlandsheralds.org

UNTO the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 16th day of August A.S. xxxxiv (2009 CE), does Don Randal Carrick send greetings on behalf of The Honourable Lady Marie de Blois, White Stag Principal Herald.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands Letter of Presentation for August 2009. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are my sole responsibility.  Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by September 19, 2009, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for September 20, 2009.  As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.

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1. Christopher Devereux.  New Badge.  Argent, two dances gules.

(Citadel)  Submitter's name was registered on the February 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/02/09-02lar.html) via the Outlands.

2.  Constance Warwick of Wynandermere. Name Change from Constance Warrock de Winandemere.

(Citadel)  Changes not accepted.  Submitter's current name was registered on the August 2002 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/08/02-08lar.html) via the Outlands.  In that letter, Laurel stated: 

"The submitter indicated that she was willing to change Warwick to Warrick. Reaney & Wilson (p. 477 s.n. Warrick) date Roger Warrock to 1271 and give this as an occupational byname indicating a maker of warrocks, which were wedges used to tighten scaffolding, or a builder of scaffolds. Authentic forms of a name for 1200-1300 that indicated that a woman named Constance was involved in making warrocks or scaffolds and was from Windermere, would be Constance Warrock de Winandemere and Constance Warrock de Wynandermer. As the first of these is the name closest to the submitted form that is authentic for the submitter's requested time period, we have changed the name to this form in order to meet the submitter's request for authenticity.

It is worth noting that the submitted name, with a minor spelling change to the final element, would be authentic for the late 16th to the early 17th C. By the 16th C, inherited surnames had come into use. Julian Goodwyn's article "Brass Enscription Index" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/) dates Constance to 1581. Bardsley (p. 795 s.n. Warwick) dates Richard Warwick to 1601. Speed, The Counties of Britain (p. 182, map of Westmorland, most maps dated 1610), lists a town or village named Wynandermere. So, Constance Warwick of Wynandermere (which adds only two characters to the submitted Wyndermere) would be an authentic form of this name for the late 16th - early 17th C."

Submitter now wishes to adopt the spelling authentic for the late 16th - early 17th century as noted above.

3.  Edward Warwick of Wynandermere.  New Name and Device.  Gules, a lion rampant contourney and a tierce sinister embattled Or.

(Citadel)  Changes not accepted.

[Edward] Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names by Talan Gwynek, http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/eng16/eng16mfreq.html

[Warwick of Wynandermere] per the August 2002 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/08/02-08lar.html) "It is worth noting that the submitted name, with a minor spelling change to the final element, would be authentic for the late 16th to the early 17th C. By the 16th C, inherited surnames had come into use. Julian Goodwyn's article "Brass Enscription Index" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/) dates Constance to 1581. Bardsley (p. 795 s.n. Warwick) dates Richard Warwick to 1601. Speed, The Counties of Britain (p. 182, map of Westmorland, most maps dated 1610), lists a town or village named Wynandermere. So, Constance Warwick of Wynandermere (which adds only two characters to the submitted Wyndermere) would be an authentic form of this name for the late 16th - early 17th C."

4.  Elizabeth de Holecombe.  New Name and Device. Argent, a chevron purpure between three pomegranates proper within a bordure purpure.  

(Bofharrach) Gender: Female.  Submitter cares most about the language/culture of the name, defined as "English".  Changes accepted.

[Elizabeth] dated to 1205 in Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames by Talan Gwynek, http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Elizabeth

[de Holecombe] dated to 1238 in Feminine Names From Devon, 1238 by Sara L. Uckelman, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/devonfem1238.html

5.  Lelien Widoeghe. New Device.  Argent, upon a pile inverted rayonny vert, a Lily of the Valley argent.

(Citadel)  Submitter's name was registered on the January 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/01/09-01lar.html) via the Outlands.

6.  Violante d'Atayde. Device Resubmission,  Per Chevron inverted Or and gules, a chief triangular sable.

(Citadel)  Submitter's name was registered on the October 2008 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2008/10/08-10lar.html) via the Outlands.  Her device, Gules, a chevron rayonny Or,  was returned by Laurel on the same letter, stating "This device is in conflict with the device of Mar Arthursson, Gules, a chevron couped Or. We do not grant difference for couping an ordinary. Therefore, there is only a single CD for the change of type from a chevron couped to a chevron rayonny."

Submitter then submitted Gules, on a cross throughout cotised Or another cross throughout sable, a bordure Or on the Outlands March 2009 LoP (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-03-lop/0903-lop.html), which was returned by Rampart on the April 2009 Outlands LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2009-03-lop/0904-lor.html), stating "Concerns were raised that this approaches the complexity limit with three tinctures and four charges (a total of seven 'items'); this is not cause for return, however. The coitses were considered extremely thin, but thickening them would result in the crosses becoming too thin as a result of running out of space. Additionally, this violates RfS VIII.1.c.ii (layer limit), as cotices are considered to be "on a cross Or a cross gules", a third cross adds the third layer, and the bordure adds a fourth (Gareth of Wyke, West 07/92). A less complex redesign is suggested."

This submission is a redesign from the two previous submissions.

Thus ends the August 2009 Letter of Presentation.

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