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Outlands College of Heralds

July 19, 2009
From the Office of the Castle Herald
Baron Randal Carrick
castle@outlandsheralds.org

UNTO the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 19th day of July A.S. xxxxiv (2009 CE), does Don Randal Carrick send greetings on behalf of The Honourable Lady Marie de Blois, White Stag Principal Herald.

 

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands Letter of Presentation for July 2009. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are my sole responsibility.  Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by August 15, 2009, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for August 16, 2009.  As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.


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1. al-Barran, Barony of.  Order Name Resubmission - Order of the Silver Dagger.  

(al-Barran) Previously submitted as the Order of the Sculpturatus Punctum, the  previous submission was returned by Kingdom on the March 2007 LoR, stating:

Commenters indicate that the Latin submitted for the order name has a translation of [he who has been sculpted puncture]. The standard Latin words for [scorpion] are [scorpio] and [scorpius]. Without knowing the requested meaning for the order, it is hard to offer a good suggestion as to the proper Latinization of the name. Some suggestions were [Cauda Scorpionis] for [tail of the scorpion], [Aculeus Scorpionis] for [sting of the scorpion].
Other commenters felt that the term [punctum] with the offered translation of [prick] may be considered vulgar and violate Rfs IV.1 - Vulgar Names.
As submitted this order name fails to fulfill many requirements for order names as outlined in the Rules for Submission. Specifically Rfs I.1.a - Compatible Content - which states that all submissions shall be of period content. For order names this specifically relates to use of terms and words that were used in period. The term [Sculpturatus], which incidentally according to the provided documentation is not even now used for the Bark Scorpion, is a modern Latinization associated with the classification system created by Carl Von Linne in the 1700's, and not a period term.

Despite the fact that changes are accepted to this order name, without knowing the intended English order name, it would be impossible to formulate a proper order name from the offered documentation.

Name returned for violation of Rfs I.1.a - Compatible Content

Submitter is submitting an entirely new name in English to overcome the above objections.  Changes are accepted.

 

[Silver Dagger] meets the 'Medieval Secular Order Names' (http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/) pattern of colour + heraldic charge, and matches the requirements of the August 2005 cover letter (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2005/08/05-08cl.txt) with the same pattern

 

[Silver] - the same cover letter allows the use of ordinary colors in such usage.


[Dagger] can be dated to 1375 by the OED, with the spelling dated similarly to 1601.

 

2. al-Barran, Barony of.  Order Name Resubmission - Order of Vigilance.

(al-Barran) Previously submitted as both the Order of the Watchfire and the Order of the Watch and Ward, the previous submissions were returned by Kingdom on the February 1999 LoR (no online cite available). Submitter is submitting an entirely new name in English.  Changes are accepted.

 

Vigilance meets the 'Medieval Secular Order Names' pattern (http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/) of 'abstract  quality', and the August 2005 Cover Letter (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2005/08/05-08cl.txt) pattern of 'virtue'. The word  Vigilance can be dated to 1570 by the OED under the heading "vigilance".

 

3. Bernhardt Grimme. New Name and Device.  Or, a brown bear head guardant proper, atired of stag's antlers sable in chief a cross crosslet gules.

(Caerthe) Gender: Male. Submitter cares most about the spelling of the name, and will not accept major changes to the name.

 

[Bernhardt]: "German Names from Nürnberg, 1497" by Sara L. Uckelman (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/german/nurnberg1497.html) indicates that there was one instance of [Bernhardt] from cities surrounding Nürnberg under the [Pernhardt] header.


[Grimme]: Dictionary of German Names by Hans Bahlow, translated by Edda Gentry (1993 edition) lists [Jorge Grimme] to 1559, and [Henry de Grimme] to 1301, under the header [Grimm].

 

4. Caerthe, Barony of. New Badge. Or, a glove within a bordure embattled sable.

(Caerthe) Branch name [Caerthe, Barony of] originally registered January 1973 via Laurel.  The badge is to be associated with the Order of the Black Glove of Caerthe (submitted on the November 2008 LoP via the Outlands, http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2008-10-lop/0811-lor.html).

 

5. Caerthe, Barony of. Order Name Resubmission - Order of the Keystone of Caerthe.

(Caerthe) Branch name [Caerthe, Barony of] originally registered January 1973 via Laurel.  This Order Name was returned by Laurel on the March 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/03/09-03lar.html)for conflict:  

This is returned for numerous conflicts: Keystone Pursuivant, Order of the Keystone (both registered to Æthelmearc, Kingdom of), and Order of the Keystone of Lions Gate (registered to Lions Gate, Barony of). The addition of the branch name reference, of Caerthe, provides sufficient difference only in conjunction with a letter of permission to conflict. While the Barony noted that they were trying to obtain such letters, these letters had not been received by the Laurel office at the time of the publication of this LoAR.  

Letters of permission to conflict have been included with this resubmission.

A summary of other documentation is included for convenience:
[keystone]: OED header [Keystone] under the common sense definition states the form [key-stone] used in 1637, and the form [keystone] used from 1703 on. While this does not fall specifically within period for our chosen spelling, several [keystone] names have been registered by Laurel, with the most recent being in 2006.
The form [object] + [place] follows the common pattern [thing + place] as defined by "Project Ordensnamen" by Meradudd Cethin located at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/. This order name also follows the Laurel meta-patterns of "Orders named for heraldic charges" and "Orders named for places" as defined on the August 2005 LoAR Cover Letter (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2005/08/05-08cl.html).


Please associate the badge [Sable, a keystone within a bordure embattled Or] (registered July 2006 via the Outlands, http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2006/07/06-07lar.html) with this order name.

 

6. Cera ingen Rónáin. New Badge.  Fieldless, a dragon segreant vert.

(Caer Galen) 

 

7. Charles Robert Blackstone. Badge Resubmission. Fieldless, a lion passant-guardant erminois wearing a baronial coronet Or.

(al-Barran) Submitter's previous submission, (Fieldless) a lion passant guardant erminoiswearing a pearled coronet Or lined with a chapeau gules, was returned on the August 2008 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2008/08/08-08lar.html), stating:

 

"This is a lovely badge. However, this uses a reserved charge to which the submitter is not entitled: chapeaus are reserved for members of the Order of the Pelican. The red chapeau inside the pearled coronet was used to signify baronial status in Scots crests. This is one place where SCA and real-world usage collide - we reserve this 'baronial' indicator for the Order of the Pelican. Remove the chapeau and the coronet will not violate our reservation."

 

Submitter has removed the chapeau as requested.

 

8. Conall Óg mac Dabhidh. New Device.  Vert, three chevronels braced Or, on a chief indented argent, a salmon naiant gules.

(Dragonsspine) Submitter's name was registered on the January 2005 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2005/01/05-01lar.html) via the Outlands.

 

9. Elena of Glastonbury. Device Resubmission. Or, a chief  triangular sable, overall a rapier inverted proper entwined of two roses gules slipped and leafed vert, all within a bordure gules.

(Unser Hafen)  Submitter's name was sent to Laurel on the January 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2008-12-lop/0901-lor.html) via the Outlands. Submitter's previous device, Sable, a rapier inverted argent entwined of two roses gules, slipped and leafed vert, a bordure gules, was returned on the same letter, stating:  "This device has been returned for contrast issues: there is poor contrast between the flowers and the field (colour-on-colour), and the stems are very thin. Additionally, the silvery-colour used to paint the rapier is unneeded, white is more easily recognised and the silvery-colour is a very dark grey which faded into the field. Artistic notes: the term 'garden rose' is unnecessary, a Rose is still a Rose; proper colouring for rapiers and swords is "argent, a hilt Or."

 

This device was redrawn to address the stated objections.

 

10.  Jehannete la Picarde.  New Name and Device.  Argent, three cups and a bordure purpure.

(Caerthe)  Gender: Female.  Submitter cares most about the spelling of the name, and will not accept major changes.

[Jehannete]: "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris" by Lord Colm Dubh (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html) lists [Jehannete (une) filatre] as part of the census under the header J.  

[la Picarde]: "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris" also indicates that [Erembour la Picarde] was also part of the census under the header E. 

 

11. Seóan mac Ruaidhri Ui Ceallachán. Name Resubmission.

(al-Barran) Gender: Male. Submitter cares most about the meaning and language/culture of the name, defined as 14th C. Irish.  Submitter will not accept major changes to the name, but does request authenticity for 14th C. Ireland circa. 1325.

 

Submitter's previous submission, Sean MacRuaidhri O'Ceallachan, was returned by Kingdom on the September 2006 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2006-08-lop/0609-lor.html), stating: 

Documention for the formation of the name is presented from "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" (http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/). This formation would be interpreted as Sean, son of Ruaidhri, son of Ceallachan.

Commenters indicate that the articles cited show a different construction than that utilized by the submitter. Per the documentation submitted the name should be [Sean mac Ruaidhri Uí Ceallachan]. Note the lowercase [mac] separated from the patronymic, and the change of the clan affiliation identifier. The client has indicated they accept no changes, therefore the name must be returned for undocumented form.
Please also note that simply indicating the source documentation and including copies of that documentation is insufficient summary of the documentation. Summaries should include location of referenced material, explain the construction of the name, and document and date all the name spellings.

Name returned due to undocumented form.

Submitter has re-submitted the name in the requested spelling, and provided the following summary of his additional documentation:

The name being submitted is based on my personal affinity for Irish history and mundane family names. It is my intention to have an SCA name that reflects Irish naming conventions of the early 13th Century. This goes along with my intended persona of a de-frocked Irish monk who makes his living as a Chirurgeon and healer.

 

Seóan

The Irish Gaelic form of my mundane first name, John.

 

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Sean.shtml

 

“Standard forms of this name (based on spelling systems of different periods) would be:

 Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) nominative form:    Seán (Seóan)”

 

This places the name in the desired time frame for my persona and shows 2 variants of the spelling.

 

Ruaidhrí

Gaelic for “red king”. My mundane Father’s first name was “Rufus”, Latin for “red”. “mac Ruaidhrí” would be “son of the red king”. This is intended as a tribute to my late Father.

 

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Ruaidhri.shtml

 

“Standard forms of this name (based on spelling systems of different periods) would be:

 Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) nominative form:    Ruaidhrí”

 

This places the name in the desired time frame for my persona and with my intended first name.

 

Ceallachán

 

When my friends and I formed an unofficial household, we called ourselves “Callahan’s Inn”. Since I suggested the group name, it was considered proper that I should be “Callahan”. I then began researching more period versions of that name ans so have come up with “Ceallachán” based on information found on the Academy of Saint Gabriel web page. Specifically:

 

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cellachan.shtml

 

“Standard forms of this name (based on spelling systems of different periods) would be:

 Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) nominative form:    Ceallachán”

 

This places the name in the desired time frame for my persona and with my intended first and second  names.

 

Seóan mac Ruaidhrí Uí Ceallachán

 

This complete form of my intended name is based on information found on the “Quick and Easy Gaelic Names: web page under the sub heading “Irish Simple Patronymic with Clan Affiliation Bynames”.

 

http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#patronymicwithclan

 

“The standard way to form a name using combined simple patronymic and Irish clan affiliation bynames for men is:

 

    <single given name> mac <father's given name (in genitive case & sometimes lenited)> Uí <eponymous clan ancestor's name (in genitive case & always lenited unless starting with a vowel)>

 

which means

 

    <given name> son <of father's given name> (of) male descendant <of eponymous clan ancestor>

 

For example, Donnchadh who is the son of Fearchar mac Domhnaill Uí Conchobhair would be:

 

    Donnchadh mac Fearchair Uí Chonchobhair

 

which means

 

    Donnchadh son of Fearchar male descendant of Conchobhar (or, fully Anglicized, Duncan son of Farquhar male descendant of Connor)”

 

 

Thus “Seóan mac Ruaidhrí Uí Ceallachán” would mean: “Seóan son of Ruaidhrí  male decendant of Ceallachán”

 

 

I feel that this summary explains the origin of my intended name, the spellings and time frames of the elements of that name and the sources from which that information was obtained.

 

12. Slaine inghean Ui Sheanain. Device Resubmission. Quarterly argent and sable, a thistle and a bordure counterchanged.

(al-Barran)  Submitter's name was registered on the September 2002 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/09/02-09lar.html) via Caid.  Submitter's previous submission, Quarterly sable and argent, a thistle counterchanged, was returned by Laurel on the February 2008 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2008/02/08-02lar.html) for conflict, stating: "This device is returned for conflict with the device of Sym Gilchrist of Fraser, Quarterly sable and argent, in sinister chief a thistle, slipped, leaved, and embowed sable. There is a CD for changing the tincture of the thistle, but nothing for its placement as Sym's thistle cannot be in the center of the field. Upon resubmission, please advise the submitter to draw the thistle in a more heraldic matter to improve its identifiability; as drawn, many commenters found it too similar to a stag's attires."

 

Submitter has re-drawn the device and added a bordure counterchanged to clear the conflict.

Thus ends the July 2009 Letter of Presentation.

Your servant,

Randal Carrick
Castle Herald

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