Last modified: April 01, 2007
27 March 2007
From the Office of Rampart Herald
Furukusu Masahide (John Newton)
rampart@outlandsheralds.org
Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, the esteemed submitters, and all others who come by these letters, on this 27th day of March 2007, A.S. XL, does Furukusu Masahide, Rampart Herald, send greetings.
My deepest gratitude to those who took time to send internal commentary: Aethelwulf (Herald Emeritus for the College of Blaiddwyn), Balthazar, Caelan MacKinnon (Black Fountain Pursuivant), Cnut, Gwain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor Herald), Ines Alfon (Saker Herald), Lyonnete du Soleil, Marie de Blois (White Stag), Margaret Hepburn, Meradudd Cethin (Liber Herald), and Ursula Georges (Loyall Pursuevant).
Line Emblazon Sheet
Color Emblazon Sheet
February 2007 Letter of Presentation
March 2007 Letter of Response
March 2007 Letter of Intent
July 2007 LoAR Results
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The following items were sent on to Laurel for final determination:
The following items were returned for further work:
Changes accepted.
Sculpturatus: Centruriodes sculpturatus is the scientific name for the Bark Scorpion found in the southwestern United States and Mexico (http://www.desertusa.com/oct96/du_scorpion.html). [Actually, this site says this species USED to be called C. sculpturatus. The current scientific name of this species, according to this website, is Centruroides exilicauda - Castle]
Punctum: a prick, little hole, puncture; a point, spot, place (http://cdsjcl.f2g.net/translate.html) [Note: this is an online Latin-English/English-Latin translator - Castle]
Commenters indicate that the Latin submitted for the order name has a translation of [he who has been sculpted puncture]. The standard Latin words for [scorpion] are [scorpio] and [scorpius]. Without knowing the requested meaning for the order, it is hard to offer a good suggestion as to the proper Latinization of the name. Some suggestions were [Cauda Scorpionis] for [tail of the scorpion], [Aculeus Scorpionis] for [sting of the scorpion].
Other commenters felt that the term [punctum] with the offered translation of [prick] may be considered vulgar and violate Rfs IV.1 - Vulgar Names.
As submitted this order name fails to fulfill many requirements for order names as outlined in the Rules for Submission. Specifically Rfs I.1.a - Compatible Content - which states that all submissions shall be of period content. For order names this specifically relates to use of terms and words that were used in period. The term [Sculpturatus], which incidentally according to the provided documentation is not even now used for the Bark Scorpion, is a modern Latinization associated with the classification system created by Carl Von Linne in the 1700's, and not a period term.
Despite the fact that changes are accepted to this order name, without knowing the intended English order name, it would be impossible to formulate a proper order name from the offered documentation.
Name returned for violation of Rfs I.1.a - Compatible Content.
This badge has multiple conflicts:
Timothy der Kenntnisreiche - March of 1992: [Azure, in pale an open book argent grasped by a scorpion Or.] 1 CD for fieldlessness, possibly a CD for the book if it is sustained vs. maintained.
Robin the Ruthless in Battel - March of 1998: [Gules, a scorpion tergiant, maintaining in each pincer a heart, and in base within the curve of its tail another heart, all Or.] Single CD for fieldlessness, none for the maintained hearts.
Josiah Scorpious - October of 1979: [Checky sable and vert, a scorpion displaed queue fourche Or.] Single CD for fieldlessness.
Returned for multiple conflicts.
No documentation is included - just a persona story: "While hunting for food in his area, a hunter came across a very young boy whose only word that he could speak was his name, "Duncan". The hunter took the child in and gave him the name of "Duncan of the Darkwoods" as that was the place where he was found. From that day forth, he was now known as Duncan of the Darkwoods."
Commenters provided documentation for [Duncan]: _The Surnames of Scotland_ by Black dates [Duncan] to 1296 (p. 228).
Commenters also indicate that [Darkwood] is a branch name in the Kingdom of the West, and suggest a name of [Duncan of Darkwood].
Other commenters suggest that [Darkwood] may be a period form of [woods]. Having looked over the considerable entry of [wood] in the OED, Rampart did not find a specific reference to [Darkwood].
As the submitter provided no documentation for the name, and they are obviously not in the Kingdom of the West and the story that was included with the documentation implied [darkwoods] as meaning [of the dark woods] and not [of the group known as Darkwood], Rampart is disinclined to modify the submission.
Please note that while the Outlands College of Heralds, the College of Arms, and member of the various colleges are always willing to assist submitters in putting together proper documentation, simply submitting a name without documentation and relying upon the charity of the commenting heralds to provide the documentation for the submitter is not acceptable.
Name returned for lack of documentation.
There was much comment regarding the proper blazon of the field of this device. Suggestions include [barry indented] as noted from Parker, [lozengy couped in fess] as noted in Woodward, or [lozengy barry]. Commenters also indicate that despite it being used in the arms of Gise per Woodward, it may be too complex to register and may fall under Rfs VII.7.b - Reconstruction Requirement - and Rfs VIII.4.d - Modern Style. As this does appear to be used in a period device, Rampart would be willing to forward to Laurel for a final determination.
Commenters show the following conflict:
Friedrich Eric Helmut von Rheinhausen - Novemeber 1994: [Erminois, on a pale sable a double-bitted axe argent]. Single CD for field.
Device returned for conflict.
Commenters indicate that an Egyptian Sphinx and a Lion have no difference, as indicated in the following precedent:
[Dormant lion vs. couchant Egyptian sphinx, both in chief on differing per fess fields] "There is only one CVD, for the change to the field [implying no type difference]." (LoAR 8/90 p.18).
A Gyno-sphinx and an Egyptian sphinx primarily differ in the addition of wings. This implies that a Gyno-Sphinx would have no difference from a winged lion or a winged cat.
Commenters indicate several conflicts:
Lijsbeth Tijsz van Brugge - January of 1997: [Per pale purpure and vert a winged lion segreant to sinister maintaining a sun in splendor Or.] Single CD for the field.
Windmasters' Hill, Barony of - April of 1990: [Gules, a winged domestic cat salient to sinister and maintaing a sword palewise argent.] Single CD for the primary tincture.
Please note that [Segreant] and [Rampart] are the same postures, simply used with different beasts, and [Salient] differs from [Rampant] by the position of only one leg.
Device returned for multiple conflicts.
The name was submitted on the Feb 2007 LoP.
Commenters indicate that an Egyptian Sphinx and a Lion have no difference, as indicated in the following precedent:
[Dormant lion vs. couchant Egyptian sphinx, both in chief on differing per fess fields] "There is only one CVD, for the change to the field [implying no type difference]." (LoAR 8/90 p.18).
A Gyno-sphinx and an Egyptian sphinx primarily differ in the addition of wings. This implies that a Gyno-Sphinx would have no difference from a winged lion or a winged cat.
Commenters indicate several conflicts:
Lijsbeth Tijsz van Brugge - January of 1997: [Per pale purpure and vert a winged lion segreant to sinister maintaining a sun in splendor Or.] Single CD for the field.
Please note that [Segreant] and [Rampart] are the same postures, simply used with different beasts.
Badge returned for conflict.
Commenters indicate that the chief is too low into the field, and the bars appear to be somewhat wavy. The number of bars should not be indicated and they should either be drawn straight or drawn and blazoned wavy (like the chief). The bars can only be wavy if they do not share any tincture with the chief. This could be redrawn as plain barry with the current tinctures or simply as barry wavy azure and argent, and put the herrings in chief. As blazoned (requiring the redraw of the bars) the device appears clear of conflict.
Commenters indicate that the blazon and the emblazon does not match. The emblazon could not be recreated from the blazon, but commenters could not provide any suggested blazon that would allow the emblazon to be recreated. The blazon would have the two arms holding the knot at the fess points, not entwined within the knot itself.
This violates Rfs VII.7.b - Reconstruction Requirement - which states that the device must be reproducible by a competent herald from the blazon.
Device returned for violation for violation of Rfs VII.7.b.
The following items pended to a future letter:
The name was registered in May 2005. The previous badge submissions (she tried three possibilities - Fieldless, a mullet of eight Or; Divided field, Green left, blue right, eight-pointed star gold; and Compass star gold on a feather field blue and white) were returned for multiple conflicts on the April 2006 Letter of Response.
Pended for a redraw at client's request.
Thus ends my Letter of Response.
In service and duty,
Furukusu Masahide
Rampart Herald
Line Emblazon Sheet
Color Emblazon Sheet
February 2007 Letter of Presentation
March 2007 Letter of Response
March 2007 Letter of Intent
July 2007 LoAR Results
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