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Outlands College of Heralds

May 17, 2009
From the Office of the Castle Herald
Baron Randal Carrick
castle@outlandsheralds.org

UNTO the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 17th day of May A.S. xxxxiv (2009 CE), does Don Randal Carrick send greetings on behalf of The Honourable Lady Marie de Blois, White Stag Principal Herald.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands Letter of Presentation for May 2009. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are my sole responsibility.  Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by June 20, 2009, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for June 21, 2009.  As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.

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1. Caer Galen, Barony of. New Order Name - Order of the Cochon Ailé.   

(Caer Galen) Submitter cares most about the meaning of the name, defined as "Order of the Winged Pig".  Changes accepted.

The proposed Order name is French for “Winged Pig”. Adding wings to a standard heraldic charge (the pig appears in the Pic-Dic under “Boar”) is a proper way of forming an heraldic monster (RfS VII.5). Winged pigs (sometimes called pigs, and sometimes boars) have been registered may times in SCA heraldry.  

The Order name follows the pattern for naming after a single heraldic charge, the most common pattern for period secular Order names (see Medieval Secular Order Names by Juliana de Luna, http://www.medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/)

2. Conrad Von Zollern.  New Badge.  (Fieldless) A lion rampant sable.

(Hawk's Hollow) Submitter's name was registered on the March 2002 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/03/02-03lar.html)

3. Justin Timme. Alternate Name resubmission for Conrad von Zollern.

(Hawk's Hollow) Gender: Male. Submitter cares most about the sound of the name, and will not accept changes to the name, nor the creation of a holding name.

Submitter's name was registered on the March 2002 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/03/02-03lar.html)  Submitter's previous alternate name submission, "Justin Case" was returned by Kingdom on the January 2009 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2008-12-lop/0901-lor.html) for conflict. This submission changes the surname of the alternate name.

Both names found in Reany & Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, 3rd edition

Justin: P. 259, header "Justin": Derived from the name of two Byzantine Emperors. Latinized dated to 1175.

Tymme: header "Timms": Dated to 1327.

4. Loghlan de Hay. Device Resubmission. Argent, on a fess azure between three escutcheons gules a wolf's head erased argent.

(Caerthe) Submitter's name was pended at Laurel until the April 2009 Laurel Meeting on the September 2008 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/09/08-09lar.html).  The original device submission, Argent, on a fess azure between three escutcheons gules a wolf's head erased argent, was returned by Laurel on the same LoAR, stating: "The wolf's head is not recognizable as such. Many commenters initially thought it was a cat's head. Therefore, this is returned for a redraw as a wolf's head. Properly drawn, this submission is not in conflict with Hay, Earl of Errol, High Constable of Scotland: Argent, three escutcheons gules. It is clear either by X.1 (for adding the primary fess) or by counting CDs (one for the addition of the primary fess, one for the addition of the tertiary head on the fess). Because we consider the new design to be entirely independent armory under our rules, the combination of the name and device is not presumptuous. The argument that any device with such a field combined with the surname Hay is presumption was made, and rejected, when we registered the device of Brendan Hay, Argent, two rapiers in saltire sable between three escutcheons gules, a bordure sable, in December 1992. Please see that decision for more details."

Submitter has redrawn the wolf's head as requested.

5. Monika the Fair. Badge resubmission. (Fieldless), A fret purpure ermined argent.

(al-Barran) Submitter's name was regitered on the October 1994 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1994/10/lar.html).  Submitter's previous badge submission, A fret purpure ermined argent, was returned by Kingdom on the September 2008 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2008-08-lop/0809-lor.html), stating "Armorial Identifiability: ermine spots aren't identifiable as such and are too small."

Submitter has re-drawn the ermine spots to be larger and more identifiable.

6. Raban der Schwarzwald. New Name and Device. Per chevron sable and gules, a chevron between three skulls argent.

(al-Barran) Gender:Undefined.  Submitter cares most about the meaning and language/culture of the name, defined as "Germany, 'Raven from the Black Forest'." Changes accepted.

[Raban] Variant of Germanic Hraban, meaning "raven" (http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surnames-7-7/male-german-names.html). Bahlow, Hans. Deutsches Nameslexikon, P.391 dates the name to 830 or later.

[Schwarzwald] Schwartzweller is found (undated) on page 663 of Bahlow with the same meaning.  von Schwartzwald is cited in Academy of St. Gabriel Report 2155 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2155.txt) stating: 

"The Black Forest, or <Schwartzwald> region has apparently been known by some form of that name since the 9th century. [9] Unfortunately, we do not find surnames based on the name until 1350, after your period. This could be because the area was so sparsely settled that no one thought to refer to it as someone's place of origin, or because people considered it too large to be a useful identifier for someone who did live there. We find the same pattern for names based on the Odenwald. For the very end of your period, however, we believe that <Swartzweldir> is a plausible name for a man from the Black Forest. [10] If it existed, it would have been pronounced \SWARTS-wel-deer\ from before the beginning of your period into the 13th century. During the 13th century, the pronunciation of <w> began to change from \w\ to \v\, making the pronunciation \SVARTS-vel-deer\ also possible for the end of your period. Another possible explanation for the lack of bynames based on <Schwartzwald> is that local people referred to it only as "the forest". We find the following names recorded in or near your period in Konstanz and Stuttgart, which are both near the Black Forest: [11] <von Wald>, 1317 "from the forest" or possibly, "from (a place called) Wald" <Waltman>, 1285 "woodsman, forester" <Waldenarius>, 1286 "woodsman, forester" [12] We don't know absolutely that these names relate to the Black Forest, but they do give you other options. We believe that any of these names would be appropriate for at least the last fifty years of your period. Prior to 1250, we do not find any names which we believe are appropriate to use in reference to the Black Forest. If you would like more options for the early part of your period, we recommend you choose a byname based on a more settled area, such as a town. Please write again if you would like further assistance. You should be aware that such a byname probably implies that the bearer no longer lives in the Black Forest; bynames of location were only useful if they didn't describe everyone in the neighborhood. You would probably not have to go far from the Black Forest in order for the byname to be meaningful, as we see in the examples from Konstanz and Stuttgart."