Last modified: July 12, 2007

Outlands College of Heralds

July 12, 2007
From the Office of the Castle Herald
Baronessa Francesca di Pavia, OP, OL
castle@outlandsheralds.org

UNTO the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 12th day of July, A.S. xxxxii (2007 CE), does Maestra Francesca di Pavia send greetings on behalf of The Honourable Lady Marie de Blois, White Stag Principal Herald.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands Letter of Presentation for July 2007. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are undoubtedly mine.

Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the Rampart address is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart, Furukusu Masahide-dono, by August 18, 2007, for the Rampart decision meeting tentatively scheduled for August 19, 2007.


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I present the following items for your consideration:

1. Cilléne mac Conghalaigh. Device resubmission. Per chevron vert and sable, two daggers in chevron and a wolf statant reguardant argent.
(Hawk's Hollow )
The name has been submitted to Laurel on the April 2007 Letter of Intent.The previous device submission, Per chevron vert and sable, a wolf statant reguardant and in base a dagger and and arrow inverted chevronwise argent, was returned on the April 2007 Letter of Response: "Commenters discussed several issues with this armory. The use of three different co-primary charges places the device in violation of Rfs VIII.1.a - Tincture and Charge Limit - which states that "three or more types of charges should not be used in the same group." Commenters agreed that the field division was not steep enough to be per chevron, and should be significantly higher on the field. One commenter felt there may be an issue with the non-period form of the wolf used in this submission. Commenters also mentioned that the dagger and arrow are sufficiently narrow and of an unstandard form to make them potentially unidentifiable, and possibly a violation of Rfs VIII.3 - Armorial Identifiability. Please consider this upon redraw and resubmission. Device returned for violation of Rfs VIII.1.a, and general redraw." The new submission addresses these concerns: 1. The chevron field division is now based on the PicDic example; 2. One of the three unrelated primary charges has been dropped; 3, The wolf charge has been tweaked to be more heraldically correct; 4. The dagger charges have been changed to more resemble heraldically drawn roundel daggers.

2. Geileis ingen Amargein. New name.
(Blackwater Keep) Gender: Female. The submitter cares most about the language/culture of the name, defined as Irish. She wants the name to have the meaning "Geileis, daughter of Amargein". Changes accepted.
Geileis: O'Corrain & Maguire, Irish Names, p. 110
Amargein: O'Corrain & Maguire, Irish Names, p. 22
The particle "ingen" is Middle Irish. Four women with this genitive particle living between 1383 and 1594 appear in Irish Annals:, d. 1383:Annal E, Entry M1546.1; d. 1579: Annal LC2, Entrey LC1579.15; d. 1583: Annal E, Entry M1583.16; d. 1594: Annal F, Entry M1594.5 [O'Brien, cf Onóra]. (http:www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Onora.shtml)

3. Joshua Dennesson. New name and device. Per bend vert and argent, a scroll and a lion's gambe all counterchanged.
(Fontaine dans Sable). Gender: Male. The submitter cares most about the meaning of the name (Joshua, sone of Dennis). No major changes accepted.
Joshua: "Late 16th Century English Given Names" by Talan Gwynek (http:www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/eng16/eng16alpha.html) cites one instance of this name in this time period and place.
Dennesson: Reaney & Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, 3rd ed., pg 131, under the heading "Denison, Dennison", dates the submitted spelling to 1450.

4. Lingormr gympe inn eykr. New name and device. Or, a dragon sinister purpure maintaining in each forepaw an axe sable hafted proper, in base a drakkar, and in canton the constellation Ursa Minor sable.
(Fontaine dans Sable) Gender: male. No major changes accepted.
Lingormr: The Viking Answer Lady: "Old Norse Men's Names" (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml): "From OW.Norse lyngormr "dragon that creeps through the heather." Occurs in the runic accusative case form linkorm. FJ p. 350 s.v. -ormr; CV pp. 468-469 s.v. ormr; NR s.n. LingormR, -ormR (these sources are: CV = Cleasby, Richard and Guðbrandr Vigfusson. An Icelandic-English Dictionary. 2nd ed. Oxford: Clarendon. 1957; NR = Lena Peterson. Nordiskt runnamnslexikon. (Dictionary of Names from Old Norse Runic Inscriptions). Språk- och folkminnes-institutet (Institute for Dialectology, Onomastics and Folklore Research). Accessed 30 September 2005.)
gympe: The Viking Answer Lady: "Old Norse Men's Names" (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml), under the header Gimp: "Originally a by-name related to the Norwegian and Swedish dialect term gimpa, "to sway one's buttocks." Occurs as a by-name in Sweden. Anglo-Scandinavian forms include Gimpi, Gympe. FJ pp. 101 s.n. Gimp. (this source is:  FJ = Fellows-Jensen, Gillian. Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. Copenhagen. Akademisk Forlag. 1968.)
eykr: The Viking Answer Lady: "Old Norse Men's Names" (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml): Originally a by-name in West Scandinavia meaning "beast of burden, horse." Anglo-Scandinavian forms include the Latinized Aichus. FJ p. 77 s.n. Eykr (this source is:  FJ = Fellows-Jensen, Gillian. Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. Copenhagen. Akademisk Forlag. 1968.)

(Castle note: I am unable to locate the particle inn in the website used to document this name. The capitalization or lack of same is not clearly documented on the website, and I am not clear what the submitter means to do in this regard - the name forms list the name as "Lingormr gympe inn eykr", while the device forms list it as "Lingorm Gympe Inn Eykr".)

5.  Mari the Far-Travelled. Device resubmission.  No blazon provided.
(Blackwater Keep)
The name was registered in May 2005. The previous submission (itself a resubmission), Per bend azure and vert, a pegasus couped at the shoulder contourny between three compass stars Or, was returned on the April 2007 Letter of Response:  "The previous device submission, [Per bend azure and vert, a winged horse's head couped at the shoulder contourny between three compass stars Or], was returned on the December 2005 LoAR: "This device is returned for violating RfS VII.7.b, which requires that "Elements must be reconstructible in a recognizable form from a competent blazon." We were unable to create a blazon that adequately describes the primary charge. The primary charge isn't really a demi-pegasus as the wings issue from the neck, not the shoulder, and the forelegs are not shown. And it is not a winged horse's head couped at the shoulder because too much of the back is showing and the wings are attached to the head." The resubmission does not adequately address the objections of Laurel. This redraw has taken some elements from one option offered by Laurel, and some elements from another option offered by Laurel, but really failed to come up with a solution that addresses all issues. If the client were to include the fore-legs of the Pegasus with the current submitted drawing, it could be blazoned as a demi-pegasus, and fulfill Laurel's requirements. If the client were to coup the head at the shoulder, removing all back and leg portions, and have the wings issue from the head, it could be a winged horse's head couped at the shoulder. Either of these options would be acceptable to overcome Laurel's objections. As this stands now, it is still in an intermediate state. Commenters also noted that the compass stars should be larger. Device Returned for failure to address Laurel's reason for return."

6. Tiberius Acilius Brutus. Device resubmission. Per fess azure and gules, a maiden affronty dressed Or holding in her dexter hand a flame Or.
(Dragonsspine)
The name was registered in March 2006. The original device submission was returned on that same letter for conflict. The device resubmission, Gules, in pale two gladii crossed in saltire at the tips Or and a natural leopard couchant guardant Or spotted sable. was returned on the February 2007 Letter of Response: "This item was resubmitted in its present form on the November 2006 Letter of Presentation, and was returned on the December 2006 Letter of Response because it was submitted on the old forms. Device conflicts: [Diego de Valor] - October of 1998: [Gules, in pale a caravel reversed and two rapiers in saltire Or.] One CD for arrangement. Please note that there is no difference for the types of swords used in SCA armory. Rapiers, broadswords, Claymore, Gladii, etc all conflict with one another per _A Pictoral Dictionary of Heraldry_ by Bruce Draconaruis of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio. Much discussion regarding this device occurred. It was determined that there was a single CD for arrangement (Diego's one and two, vs. Tiberius' two and one), but the arrangement of the swords (in saltire) does not allow the bottom charge of Tiberius' proposed device to be considered "half" of the primary charges as allowed by Rfs. X.4.e. In some instances the bottom charge of a "two and one" arrangement can be considered "half" the primary charge group. However, this is not the case when the top charges are in saltire. If this were a case of [Gules, two gladii and a natural leopard couchant guardant. Or spotted sable, two and one] in Ramparts opinion, this would allow the leopard to act as "half" the charge group, and allow for two differences based on X.4.e (Changes of type) and X.4.g (Arrangement). Device returned for conflict." The new submission is a complete redesign.

7. Tómas Halvar. Nre name and device. Quarterly argent and vert, issuant from canton sinister a hand sinister and from dexter base a two-fingered hand dexter argent.
(Hawk's Hollow) Gender: Male. The submitter cares most about the sound of the name. No major changes accepted.
Tómas: Geirr-Bassi Haraldsson, The Old Norse Name, p, 15.
Halvar: Roland Otterbjörk, Svenska förnamn, p. 96, header Halvar, dates this form of Halvard (Hallvard) to 1554. The submitting herald notes that this documentation has previously been used to document the registered names Ingvarr Halvarson and Ulrik Halvarson.
The submitting herald proviides the following inforation regarding the device: "The unusual nature of the device (ie three-fingered hand) is because while in the military, the client suffered such an injury. He included in his packet to me pictures of his hand. I can forward them under separate cover if you think it would be helpful."

Thus ends the July 2007 Letter of Presentation. 

Your servant,

Francesca di Pavia
Castle Herald

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July 2007 Letter of Presentation
August 2007 Letter of Response
August 2007 Letter of Intent
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