Last modified: July 24, 2004

Outlands College of Heralds

From the office of the Rampart Herald
Lady Alia Marie de Blois
rampart@outlandsheralds.org

UNTO the members of the College of Heralds of the Kingdom of the Outlands, and all others who generously give of their time and talents in commentary on this Letter of Presentation, upon this 12th day of May, A.S. XXXVIII (2004 CE), does Lady Alia Marie de Blois, Rampart Herald, send greetings and those commendations which are appropriately due.

Anyone who wants to may send me a letter of comment regarding this Letter of Presentation. I prefer them via email.
Please send commentary to: commentary 'at' outlandsheralds.org or the address above.
Please have your commentary on this letter to me by mid June - the Rampart decision meeting is scheduled for the second Thursday.

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On behalf of Lady Sorcha MacLeod, White Stag Principal Herald, I present the following items for your consideration:

(Unless otherwise noted, all submittors will accept all changes, have no authenticity requests, and wish a name with the "common sense" gender, based on the submitted name.)

1. Anna Fae. (al-Barran) New Name and Device. Azure, a pall and in chief an increscent Or and upon the pall in base a pine tree azure, a bordure argent.
   Anna is found in "Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names" in by Talan Gwynek (http://sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/eng16/eng16alpha.html) in the Alphabetical listing under the heading Anne, with 15 instances of Anna. For Fae, the submittor presented copies of The Gypsies by Angus Fraser (2nd ed., 1995) which, on page 114 says:

   "When Paul Fa or Faa was given 15 days to get out in 1537, it was because he was accused of having murdered another Gypsy. This is the first occurrence of the name Faa or Faw, which was to become very familiar in Scotland: that Gypsy Faas were already known there is shown by the fact that when, in 1539, a George Fae and Michael Meche were examined... "

   I'm slightly skeptical of the quality of this source for period spellings of names, but this exact same source was used in the registration (with no comment on the byname from Laurel) of Mara Fae on the December 2002 LOAR.
   Also, I'm not quite sure of the blazon. Since there is a secondary increscent to be mentioned before the tertiary pine tree, the usual "on a pall Or, a pine tree azure" won't work. Since the pine tree azure can't be overall (and on the field azure), would "Azure, a pall and in chief an increscent Or, in base a pine tree azure, a bordure argent" reliably reproduce the emblazon?
   She cares most about the language/culture and is interested in authenticity for "British gypsy" langauge/culture. She will accept "Anne" if necessary, or "Faa" if necessary.
2. Caerthe, Barony of. (Caerthe) New Badge. Or, a flanged mace bendwise vert and a bordure embattled sable.
   The Barony's name was registered January 1973. This badge is intended for the use of the office of the Constable.
3. Caerthe, Barony of. (Caerthe) New Badge. (Fieldless) An aspen sapling proper issuant from an egg fesswise fracted palewise Or.
   The Barony's name was registered January 1973. This badge is intended for an as-of-yet unnamed Order for children (to paraphrase Eddie Izzard: "No forms, no name").
4. Daráine Seóig. (Nahrun Kabirun) New Name and New Device. Argent, a catamount rampant sable maintaining a garden rose purpure slipped and leaved vert and on a chief enarched purpure three compass stars Or.
   Daráine is found in O'Corrain and Maguire's Irish Names on page 71 under the header Der Áine, Daráine, where it is given the meaning "daughter of (the goddess) Aine" and is described as a rare early name. Seóig is found in Woulfe's Irish Names and Surnames on page 676 as a header form with Sheoye as an undated secondary header form. Woulfe says that this is of record in Ireland as a surname since the end of the 12th century and by the 16th century had become very widespread. She would prefer the form Sheoye.
   She will not accept major changes, cares most about the (unspecified) language/culture, and is interested in authenticity for "Irish" language/culture.
5. Fergus MacLennan. (Caerthe) Change of Registered Device. Gules on a chevron sable fimbriated between three gryphons segreant five fleurs-de-lys Or.
   His name was registered June 2002 and his current device, Quarterly embattled vert and Or, in bend two wolves salient argent and in bend sinister two Celtic crosses vert, was registered in November of 2002. He has a letter of permission to conflict with Elaisse de Garrigues (Gules, on a chevron fimbriated five fleurs-de-lys Or.).
   If this device is registered, he wishes to retain the old device as a badge. I believe that gryphons are segreant by default, yes?
6. Kathalyn Nimet. (Caerthe) Change of Registered Name and Change of Registered Device. Per pale argent and sable, both semy of crescents counterchanged, a bordure gules.
   Her current name, Ceara inghean Ghallchobhair ui Chionaith, was registered in November 1998 via Caid and her current device was also registered at that time. Kathalyn is dated to 1557 under the header Katalin in "Hungarian Feminine Names" by Walraven van Nijmegen (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/magfem2.html). Nimet is given as an ethnic byname meaning "German" and dated to 1510 under the header Német in "Hungarian Names 101" by Walraven van Nijmegen (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/magyarnames1012.html).
   She cares most about the meaning "Kathalyn the German", and is interested in authenticity for "mid 16th C" time period.
   If this name and device are registered, she wishes to retain her old name as an alternate name and her old device as a badge.
7. Lyneya del Filde. (al-Barran) Resubmitted Device (kingdom). Vert, on a cross nowy argent, a torteaux.
   Her name was registered July 2003. Her previous device submission, Argent vetu ploye vert, an arrow inverted gules, was returned by Rampart in February 2003 for conflict. This is a complete reworking.
8. Outlands, Kingdom of the. (Outlands) New Order Name. Order of the Silver Lance.
   The Kingdom's name was registered in July 1986 (previously as Principality of the Outlands in July 1979). This Order Name is formed according to patterns found in "Project Ordensnamen" by Meredudd Cethin (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/), where it is of the pattern Color+Thing, similar to the exemplars "Golden Fleece", "Golden Rose", and "Golden Spur". Use of the word Silver in this pattern should be acceptable.
9. Peryn Wolfe. (Nahrun Kabirun) New Namne and New Device. Quarterly vert and argent, four compass-roses in cross and a bordure all counterchanged.
   Peryn is found in "Feminine Given Names in the Registers of the Church of St. Mary's Dymock" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/dymock/dym_women.html) where it is dated to 1544/5 as a variant of Pering. Wolfe is found in Reaney & Wilson's A Dictionary of English Surnames on page 498 under the header Wolf, Wolfe, Wolfes, etc..
   She will not accept major changes, cares most about the sound, and is interested in being authentic for an unspecified time period and language/culture.
10. Rhiannon ferch Ednyfed. (Citadel) Resubmitted Name (kingdom)
    Her original name submission, Rhiannon ap Caer Rayna ab Cymru, was returned in July 2000 at Kingdom. Her resubmission, Rhiannon ferch Fychan, was returned in January 2003 at Kingdom, because Fychan was documented as a byname, which is unsuitable for a patronymic.
    This submission addresses return by swapping out a given name for Fychan. Rhiannon remains SCA-Compatible. Ednyfed is documented by a copy of A History of Wales by John Davies, which on page 143, says "... Among them was Ednyfed Fychan, the distain of Gwynedd from 1216 to 1246 and the ancestor of the Tudors of Anglesey." It is also found in "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/welsh13.html) as a header spelling.
    She will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, and is interested in being authentic for "Welsh" language/culture.
11. Sabine of Loch Rennach. (Caerthe) New Name and New Device. Per pale sable and purpure, a castle and in chief a thistle argent.
    Sabine is found in Reaney and Wilson's A Dictionary of English Surnames on page 406 under the header Shine, which mentions one "Sabine Schyne 1279". Loch Rennach is a lake in Scotland, found on a map from 1636-52 with the title "Atholl Rennach wt. all the bordering waists" and was found in the digital library of the National Library of Scotland (http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/counties.cfm?id=62). It fairly clearly has a lake marked "Loch Rennach". Interestingly, a Google search turned up some other useful information, also at the National Library of Scotland. The Pont maps website (http://www.nls.uk/pont/index.html) is described as "Among the National Library of Scotland's greatest treasures are the earliest surviving detailed maps of Scotland, made by Timothy Pont over 400 years ago, in the 1580s and 1590s." It appears to have both maps and texts, one webpage of which is labelled "Of Rennoch,coreys, burns, lochs and sheels therin." and contains: "Avon Eyrachty 3 myl l. falling out of the said loch in Loch Rennach at the west therof but enclyning to north." Assuming that being of a lake is a reasonable locative, this seems ok.
    She cares most about the sound.
12. Stephen North. (Scorpion's Hollow) New Name and New Device. Sable, within a triangle voided Or, three annulets interlaced one and two argent.
    All parts of this name are found in the "Brass Enscription Index" by Julian Goodwyn (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/). Stephen is dated to 1446 in the list of mens' names (men.html) and North is dated to 1529 in the list of last names (lastnameIP.html).
    He will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, and is interested in authenticity for "13th-14th cent. English" time period and language/culture.
    This device bugs me. Maybe it's just me, but it seems somewhat modern to me every time I look at it.
13. Tahir al-Razi. (Caerthe) New Name and New Device. Vert, a crescent between five mullets of eight points two two and one argent.
    All parts of this name are found in "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices" by Da'ud ibn Auda (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm). Tahir is listed as a masculine given name and al-Razi is listed as a masculine cognomen.
    He will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, and is interested in authenticity for "Arabic" language/culture.

Line Emblazon Sheet
Color Emblazon Sheet
May 2004 Letter of Presentation
June 2004 Letter of Response
June 2004 Letter of Intent
October 2004 LoAR Results
Return to the Rampart home page.

Anyone who wants to may send me a letter of comment regarding this Letter of Presentation. I prefer them via email.
Please send commentary to: alia 'at' swcp.com or the address above.
Please have your commentary on this letter to me by mid June.