Last modified: July 11, 2008


Outlands College of Heralds

July 10, 2008
From the Office of the Castle Herald
Baronessa Francesca di Pavia, OP, OL
castle@outlandsheralds.org

UNTO the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 11th day of July A.S. xxxxiii (2008 CE), does Maestra Francesca di Pavia send greetings on behalf of The Honourable Lady Marie de Blois, White Stag Principal Herald.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands Letter of Presentation for July 2008. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are undoubtedly mine.

Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by August 9, 2008, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for August 10, 2008.

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1. al-Barran, Barony of. Name resubmission for Order of the Bronze Bell.
(al-Barran) No major changes accepted.
The previous submission, Order of the Antares Kano, was returned on the July 2006 Outlands LoR: "Commenters indicate that this order name does not follow any of the six general meta-patterns approved in Pelican's Order Name discussion on the August 2005 CL (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2005/08/05-08cl.html). Further, this order name does not follow any of the known order grammatical name patterns as documented by Project Ordensnamen (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/). Commenters also indicate that the mixing of Greek and Anglo-Saxon/Norse languages violates Rfs. III.1.a: Linguistic Consistency - Each phrase must be grammatically correct according to the usage of a single language. Rampart notes that each name element must also be documented as having been used in period with the given spelling. This is normally done via reference to the Oxford English Dictionary. No documentation was provided for this order name. The Administrative Handbook, part IV.C.2 requires that documenting evidence must be included for all name elements as well as name construction patterns. Order Name returned for lack of documentation."

No documentation is provided with the current submission.

2. Alexander of Lancaster. New name and device. Argent semy of roses sable stemmed vert seeded Or.
(al-Barran) Gender not specified. The submitter cares most about the language /culture of the name, stated as 15th Century England. He requests a name authentic to that time and place, but no major changes are accepted.
Alexander: "Monumental Brass Enscriptions - Male Names" (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/brasses/men.html) cites four occurrences of this given name on monumental brasses prior to 1600 CE.
of Lancaster: Lancaster is a borough in England, first mentioned in a period text in 1193 (www.s-gabriel.org/names/badger/placenames.html)

3. Beatrice de Craie. New name and device. Chevronelly sable and ermine.
(al-Barran) Gender: Female. The submitter cares most about the sound of the name. Changes accepted.
Beatrice: The cited source,  Academy of St Gabriel Report 1771, documents this spelling, but only as an oblique case in Latin, not for a nominative. Withycome (p. 44, header BEATRIX, BEATRICE, states that the given spelling is Italian; the period/near-period examples given are Dante's Beatrice and the heroine of Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing.
de Craie: Reany & Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, p. 115, under the header CRAY, KRAY, lists Gunnilda de Craie, 1203.

4. Druisten Mac Cuilen. Name and device resubmission. Per fess rayonny Or and vert, in pale a seven-pointed mullet sable and a wolf rampant argent.
(al-Barran) Gender: Male. The submitter cares most about the sound of the name. Changes accepted.
The previous submission, Dreyfuss K'ravyn McKillin, was returned on the December 2007 Outlands Letter of Response: "The name return is first and foremost for the undocumented element [K'ravyn]. Secondly, the name is returned for using a surname as a given name, and thirdly the name is returned for using poor documentation (genealogy websites are insufficiently documented, as we rely upon primary sources, while genealogy most resources are secondary resources at best). Returned for work. There were no conflicts found at this time for the device, but unfortunately it must be returned for lack of a name to send it up with, as holding names are not created at a Kingdom Level."
Druisten: Black, Surnames of Scotland, p. 221), cites Drostan. No header or specifics cited [and I do not have a copy myself to go look it up - Castle].  "A Consideration of Pictish Names" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/pictnames/pict3_4.html) cites Druisten as an 8C Pictish given name.
Cuilen: Black, p. 190 (again, no more information provided).
No documentation is provided for "mac".
[CASTLE NOTE: the line drawing was not included in the packet. Should I receive it, I will upload it.]

5. Giovanni da Lucca. New badge. Argent, within a bordure embattled, a spider azure.
(Citadel of the Southern Pass)
The name was registered in December 2003.

6. Kendrick MacPherson. New name and device. Quarterly argent and very, two maltese crosses in bend counterchanged.
(al-Barran) Gender: Male. The submitter cares most about the sound of the name. No major changes accepted.
Kendrick: Bardsley, A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, p. 279. No specifics given.
MacPherson: Black, Surnames of Scotland, p. 557. No specifics given.

7. Lilje Widoeghe. New name.
(Citadel of the Southern Pass) Gender: Female. Changes accepted.
Lilje: female given name, Flanders ca. 1250 CE. A given name of Lelien can be found in "Names in the Low Lands 1250-1300: High-medieval given names and bynames in The Netherlands and Flanders" (http://www.keesn.nl/name13/en4_list_f.htm). The alternate spelling Lilje is found in Hague MS KB 128 E 2 (Hague Song Manuscript), a collection of songs from 1165-1318 CE (http://www.hull.ac.uk/denhaagKB/about.htm)
Widowghe: byname, Flanders ca. 1250CE "Names in the Low Lands 1250-1300: High-medieval given names and bynames in The Netherlands and Flanders" (http://www.keesn.nl/name13/en4_list_by.htm)

8. Monika the Fair. New badge. Fieldless, a fret purpure ermined argent.
(al-Barran)
The name was registered in October 1994.

9. Muiredach MacGregor. Device change. Vair, a cross arrondi gules.
(al-Barran)
The name and current device, Argent, a squirrel sejant erect azure within a bordure azure semy of carrots Or, were registered in January 2006. If the new submission is accepted, the submitter would like to keep that device as a badge.

10. Muirenn Ghlass ingen Fáelán. Device resubmission. Per bend sinister vert and argent, a wolf salient to sinister and a thistle counterchanged.
(Citadel of the Southern Pass)
The name was submitted to Laurel on the February 2008 Outlands Letter of Intent as Muirenn Ghlais ingen Fáelán. The previous device submission, the same as the current submission, was returned on the March 2006 Outlands Letter of Response for lack of a name with which to forward it. Commentary at that time: "Commenters indicate that the device may be in conflict with Miranda Douglas of Schiehallion, September 1983: Per bend sinister vert and argent, a horse's head erased, crined of flames, and two thistles conjoined pilewise counterchanged. There is one CD for change of half of the primary group (Horse's head to wolf), and there may be a CD for changing the thistle. This may be two thistles or it may be a double thistle."


Thus ends the July 2008 Letter of Presentation.

Your servant,

Francesca di Pavia
Castle Herald

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