This is the third submission from the Outlands in the last few months that has used a green mount on a blue field. This precedent was established in 11/93 from another Outlands submission for Ördög Magyar Béla, "Azure, a demi-wolf contourny argent, issuant from a trimount proper, vorant a vol Or." It seems reasonable to me that once the precedent has been established it should grant license for others to use the same style without requiring further documentation just like the use of brown for wooden objects and animals. Nobody seems to dispute that mounts and trimounts break tincture in armory throughout europe in period. It seems that it was a style at the time to place the primary charge on a mount or trimount to give the object ground to stand on. But in the two previous submissions, Kathws Rusa (June LoI) and Ileana Welgy (July LoI) CoA commentary has made it clear that if a green trimount on a blue field is used, that the rest of the design also has to be documented. Why? If we would allow "Argent, a Celtic cross sable issuant from a mount vert" without further documentation, then why would we not apply the 11/93 precedent and allow the tinctures of this submission? This makes no more sense than requiring that brown objects can only be used if they match exactly designs where they were used in period. I do not think we should have to document the use of Celtic crosses on mounts to period in order to be able to use it in the SCA. It is a reasonable extrapolation of period practice to put charges atop mounts. The fact that she is using a Celtic cross as opposed to any other type of charge should not be relevant. I have decided to recirculate the documentation compiled by Erasimierz Waspanieski (Grayraven) in 1993. I have received permission from Grayraven to do so. You will note that there are numerous examples of single primary charges sitting atop mounts/trimounts like this, including two crosses (figure 18) and (figure 26). This particular cross is unusual, but no more so than the equal-armed Celtic cross clechy registered to Maximilian Delmonico in September of 1997; the Celtic cross patonce registered Robert of the Isles in September of 1995; the equal-armed Celtic cross potent registered to Ceridwen Dafydd in April of 1986; the Celtic cross crossletted registered to Tadhg Liath June of 1989; the equal-armed Celtic cross flory registered to Eoin MacLaren in November of 1993; the Celtic cross flory registered to the Shire of Otherhill in October of 1981; the Celtic cross bottony registered to Genevieve of Nottinghill in August of 1987; the equal armed Celtic cross pommety registered to Chrystiana Saint Ebremond in May of 1995; or even the Celtic crosses formy/paty registered to Seamus Gilleasbuig in June of 1997, Shemus McTaggart of Moyle in March of 1995, Cynthia Nicol of the Highlands in October of 1995, Grimr af Vargeyjum in May of 1992, and Kay Gwenhwyfar of Locksley January of 1973.