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July 2002 Letter of Presentation
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On Thursday, August 29 2002, a Rampart meeting was held to review the June 2002 Letter of Presentation. In attendance were Countess Anne Aliz de Bâle, Fretty Herald, Earl Cathyn Fitzgerald, and Lady Alia Marie de Blois. Letters of comment were received from Shayk Da'ud ibn Auda, al-Jamal Herald; Athenais Bryennissa, Black Pillar Pursuivant; Timothy O'Brien, Gold Trumpet Herald Extraordinary; Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald; Jeanne Marie Lacroix, Sommelier Pursuivant; Lindorm Eriksson; canute;

  1. Adam Carmychel. New Name and Device. Per pale azure and gules, a gauntlet argent sustaining a spear fracted Or.

  2. Caerthe, Barony of "Adam" is found in Withycombe, page 3, where it is said to have become one of the most popular names in England in the 13th C. and was a particular favorite in the North and in Scotland. "Carmychel" is variant found in Black, page 135, s.n. Carmichael, dated to 1485. He will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, and the desired gender is male. The gauntlet holding the broken spear is the Clan Carmichael crest.
    [Sommelier] - (Name): "The name seemed familiar so I checked the Encyclopedia Britannica - it’s clear."
    [Black Pillar] - (Device): "The combination of the clan crest and name is enough to make me twitch, although I don't know that it's presumptuous enough to be returned. It should be specified that the spear is bendwise sinister (fracted palewise?), since it's large enough to count for difference. The overlap of the yellow spear on the white gauntlet is small enough to cause no problems. No conflicts found."
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Device): "Looks fine to me."
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "I wonder if there's a problem with the spear being bendwise sinister instead of the default palewise."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "The spear is bendwise sinister and the position of the tip may need to be specified. If Wreath decides the spear is maintained then this will conflict with Kenric Manning (09/00), Lozengy azure and Or, a hand argent and with Aaron MacGregor (12/01), Per bend bendy argent and gules and sable, a sinister hand argent. There would be a CD for field only. Same with Daffyd ap Morran (03/80), Quarterly gules and Or, a sinister gauntlet grasping a rose slipped and leaved argent. I think the spear will be ruled sustained, giving the second CD in all cases."
    [canute] - (Device): "Per pale azure and gules, a gauntlet argent sustaining a spear bendwise sinister fracted with the tip palewise Or. The orientation of the spear is worth a CD and needs to be specified. Clear"

    ACTION: Name Passed, Device Passed as "Per pale azure and gules, a gauntlet argent sustaining a spear bendwise sinister fracted Or.

  3. Aindrea Mac Pharlain. New Name and Device. Azure, issuant from a mount vert a Celtic cross Or.

  4. al-Barran, Barony of "Aindrea" is found in Black, page 23, s.n. Andrew. "In the Highlands, the name was early adopted appearing in Gaelic as Aindrea." "Mac Pharlain", ibid., page 492., s.n. MACFARLAN, as the Gaelic form of the name. The earliest dated citation of a MacFarlan is 1385. There are no dated citations with this particular spelling. She will allow changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be made authentic for "12th-14th century Scottish." Green mounts on blue fields is a well established precedent in the SCA. It is a theme repeated in heraldry throughout Western Europe.
    [Green Anchor] - (Name): "It's not clear to me whether she wants a Gaelic name or a Scots one. If the former, the patronymic particle is clearly the wrong gender for a feminine name."
    [Sommelier] - (Name): In Gaelic gender must agree. She's asking for a feminine name but Aindrea appears to be only masculine. However, this solves the problem of gender agreement. Black dates Malcolm Mcpharlane to c. 1385 (the documentation cited in the LoP makes it look like MacFarlan is the dated spelling)."
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): "Because peripheral charges (like, for example, a *mount*) are generally blazoned last, I recommend the following: *Azure, a Celtic cross Or issuant from a mount vert.* The cross is not any of the standard forms of Celtic cross. It is equal-armed (rather than the default Latinate), but the ends of the arms are not potent (the default for equal-armed Celtic crosses), but formy. I don't think that the submitted blazon will accurately reproduce the emblazon, but I am in a quandary as to how to blazon it so that it will."
    [Black Pillar] - (Device): "Green mounts on blue fields may be a a well-established precedent in the SCA, but it's always good to actually quote the precedent(s). However, in this case they don't seem to support the submission: In this case, I believe that the evidence presented adequately demonstrates through multiple period examples that vert trimounts were used on azure fields across Europe. As a consequence, and as you will note in the attached LoAR, we are registering the device proposal of Ördög Magyar Béla. (CL 11/93)

    [returning Azure, issuant from a trimount couped vert a demi ferret] This was submitted based on an 11/93 Laurel precedent permitting vert trimounts on azure fields. However, a trimount couped is sufficiently different from a regular trimount that it is not automatically included under that precedent. Furthermore, this submission contains a demi-animal issuant from the mount, which is relatively infrequent, bringing this submission even farther from the allowed format. Barring evidence of this motive being used throughout Europe, we must return this submission. (Guenhwyvar MacEwen, 10/97 p. 14)

    Since this submission involves a green mount rather than a trimount, it probably isn't automatically covered by the precedent allowing green trimounts any more than a trimount couped was. Since it also has a charge issuant from the mount, this would seem to be two steps from allowed practice and therefore returnable."
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Device): "Looks fine to me."
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "I've no problem with the green mount and blue field, but that's neither a Celtic cross, nor is it what the PicDic defines as an "equal-armed Celtic cross". This is a cross formy surmounted by an annulet."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "The 11/93 Cover Letter noted: "In other words, any future submission requesting an exception to any of the Rules for Submission must be documented (1) by multiple period examples, (2) from a number of heraldic jurisdictions, (3) in the exact form of the proposed armory, (4) of comparable simplicity and style as the proposed armory, (5) which apply only to that submission. We do not believe these restrictions to be too onerous, and hope that, if anything, they will stimulate our submitters to do some research on their own." In this case I would argue that the ruling is clear enough ("In this case, I believe that the evidence presented adequately demonstrates through multiple period examples that vert trimounts were used on azure fields across Europe") that criteria 1 and 2 have been covered and that 5 ought not to apply. On the other hand, items 2 and 4 do have to be met. Since Celtic crosses are not period charges, this may be a problem. On the other hand, the armory that caused this ruling was Azure, a demi-wolf contourny argent, issuant from a trimount vert, holding in its mouth a vol Or. I'd cite the cover letter and send it up arguing that no additional documentation is necessary. On the other hand, you could contact Daniel Laurel Clerk and ask for a summary of the documentation originally supplied."
    [canute] - (Device): "[returning Azure, issuant from a trimount couped vert a demi ferret] This was submitted based on an 11/93 Laurel precedent permitting vert trimounts on azure fields. However, a trimount couped is sufficiently different from a regular trimount that it is not automatically included under that precedent. Furthermore, this submission contains a demi-animal issuant from the mount, which is relatively infrequent, bringing this submission even farther from the allowed format. Barring evidence of this motive being used throughout Europe, we must return this submission. (Guenhwyvar MacEwen, 10/97 p. 14) Precedents - Jaelle, under Style - Regional A mount is not the same as a trimount. The issuant is also a possible problem. Return for violating RfS VIII.2."

    ACTION: Name Passed, Device Passed as "Azure, an equal-armed Celtic cross formy Or issuant from a mount vert."

  5. Braya Wrenne. New Name and Device. Per pale azure and argent ermined azure, an elephant statant affronty counterchanged.

  6. Dragonsspine, Barony of "Braya" is found in the list of Feminine Given Names found in A Dictionary of English Surnames by Reaney and Wilson at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyAG.html. R&W, page 62, under Bray: "There was also a woman's name Braya, which may derive from the Cornish nickname, cf. Braya, daughter of William..." - dated to 1316. "Wrenne" is found in R&W, page 504- William Wrenne 1275. She will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be made authentic for "13th - 15th c. England" language/culture.
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Device): "Looks fine to me. Nice armoury."
    [canute] - (Device): "Clear"

    ACTION: Name Passed, Device Passed.

  7. Caerthe, Barony of New Badge. Or, three towers palewise in bend and a chief embattled sable.

  8. [al-Jamal] - (Badge): "Towers are "palewise" by default; we can probably safely drop "palewise" from the blazon."
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Badge): "Looks fine to me."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): “Palewise is the default. Reblazon: Or, three towers in bend and a chief embattled sable.”
    [canute] - (Badge): "Clear"

    ACTION: Badge Passed. as "Or, three towers in bend and a chief embattled sable."

  9. Cecily de Heselington. New Device. Gules, a chevron between a horse courant and a rose argent.

  10. Caer Galen, Shire of Her name was sent to Laurel in March 2002. It will be reviewed in July 2002.
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Device): "Looks fine to me."
    [canute] - (Device): "Clear"

    ACTION: Device Passed.

  11. Conrad von Zollern. New Badge. (Fieldless) A rose per pale Or and argent barbed and seeded sable.

  12. Hawks Hollow, Shire of His name was registered in March 2002.
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Badge): "Looks fine to me."
    [canute] - (Badge): "Clear"

    ACTION: Badge Passed.

  13. Fey Dubois. New Name and Device. Azure, a hedgehog between three clouds argent.

  14. Caer Galen, Shire of "Fey" is the client's legal middle name. A copy of the birth certificate was received. "Dubois" is in Reaney & Wilson, page 143. s.n. Dubois, and in Dauzat, page 214, s.n. Dubois. She will not accept major changes, cares most about the sound, and the desired gender is female.
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Name): "Name looks fine to me."
    [Sommelier] - (Name): Middle names are not necessarily registerable as given names - e.g., "Lea is the submitter's modern middle name. As Laurel noted in returning Needham Bledsoe (10/91 LoAR, Outlands), a modern middle name may be used as a Society given name only if it is a given name by type, and Lea is not; originally: it is a locative surname derived from Old English leah `glade; meadow; wood'. [The name was returned for this and other reasons.] (Lea of Crystal Mountain, 11/95 p. 12)". In this case, Withycombe states (sn Fay, p. 116) "this name appears to be modern, first occurring in the 1890's. It may have been an abbreviation of Faith (q.v.) as in the case of the actress Fay Compton, or be the word fay 'fairy'". From R&W (sn Fay p. 165), in period Fay was a locative (Richard de Fay 1242) or a descriptive (Margaret le Fey, 1332) I think this is returnable under the precedent cited above for Lea."
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Device): "I did not recognize the clouds as such, though-- is this a standard rendition? Nice hedgehog."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "I took the primary to be a sheep, not a hedgehog. Clear in either case."
    [canute] - (Device): "Clear"

    ACTION: Name Returned for further documentation of the use of "Fey" as a given name in period. Device Pended awaiting a name.

  15. Laure Aleire de Laon. Change of registered name.

  16. Dragonsspine, Barony of Her name is currently registered as Laure Aleire de Leon, (2/99 Drachenwald). She originally wanted "Laon", but couldn't find the documentation she needed. She has now provided a copy of a map from The Atlas of Medieval Europe by Donald Matthew, Equinox: Oxford 1930, ISBN 0-87196-133-4. The map sent does not include the cover page and only shows the portion of the map directly relating to the town "Laon". It does not include the page number or the date the map is supposed to represent. This is not sufficient to send forward to Laurel. If anybody can come up with better documentation it would be appreciated. She will not accept any changes, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be made authentic for "12th France" time period/language/culture.
    [al-Jamal] - (Name): "The *Times Atlas of the World*, 7th ed., p. 112, gives Laon, France, at 49 degress 34 minutes north, 3 degrees 37 minutes east (it's northeast of Paris). It does not, of course, give a clue as to whether or not the town existed in period."
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Name): "Return without better documentation."
    [Green Anchor] - (Name): "Kinder & Hilgemann, _The Anchor Atlas of World History, Vol.1_, shows a map of France dated 987-1270 on p.158 which shows Laon. Dauzat, p.365, shows "Laon" as a toponymic surname."
    [Sommelier] - (Name) "How about a no-photocopy source? Jaquemon de Laon is found in Colm Dubh’s “An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris” at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html."

    ACTION: Name Passed. (Great thanks to Green Anchor for the Dauzat reference and Sommelier for the web reference. Those are what will be used for documentation when this is sent up.)

  17. Mór ingen Cathail. New Badge. (Fieldless) An elephant's head cabossed to sinister disarmed purpure maintaining with its trunk a sickle Or.

  18. Caerthe, Barony of Her name is in submission on the April 2002 Outlands LoI. It will be reviewed in August. The reason I blazoned the elephant's head as "cabossed" is because it has no neck, but "cabossed" is affronty by default. I don't know if you can put it in profile. Does the fact the elephant has no neck need to be blazoned? The blazon on the form said the elephant was "sustaining" the sickle, but "sustained" objects need to be approximately the same size as the critter sustaining them.
    [al-Jamal] - (Badge): ""Cabossed" means that the animal's head is facing the viewer; the elephant's head here is either *couped to sinister* or *couped contourny*. (I prefer the latter as being slightly less ambiguous.)"
    [Black Pillar] - (Badge): "The elephant's head is couped contourny, not cabossed. No conflicts found."
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Badge): "I think this blazon is adequate, re: Rampart's comments. Looks fine to me."
    [Green Anchor] - (Badge): "I've never seen the term "disarmed" applied to elephants, but it seems clear enough. Blazon it as "holding" the sickle, and you can sidestep the whole "maintaining" vs. "sustaining" foolishness."
    [Sommelier] - (Badge): "The sickle is maintained. The elephant's head is couped contourny or perhaps couped close contourny. I doubt the missing tusks need to be mentioned. Whether the sickle is maintained or sustained, this appears clear of conflict."
    [canute] - (Badge): "(Fieldless) An elephant's head couped to sinister disarmed purpure maintaining with its trunk a sickle Or. [a bear rampant contourny sustaining a halberd] Regarding the "significance" of the halberd, as Green Crown noted, a charge consisting mostly of a long skinny handle will always have difficulty matching the visual weight of other charges, but here the sizes of the charges are about the same as would be expected if they were in fess a bear and a halberd. That seems to be a reasonable rule of thumb for determining sustained (and qualifying for a CD), as opposed to maintained (and not qualifying for a CD), charges. (Wynn of Naevehjem, 9/94 p. 9) Precedents - Da'ud 2.2, under Blazonry Cabossed is always affronty. This is within the range of couped. It is getting close, quite possibly blurring the line, but I agree with maintained. Clear"

    ACTION: Badge Passed as "(Fieldless) An elephant's head couped close contourny disarmed purpure maintaining with its trunk a sickle Or."

  19. Thorgrim van de København. New Name and Device. Per chevron sable and checky argent and sable, a chevron gules and in chief a hanging balance argent.

  20. al-Barran, Barony of "Thorgrim" is the anglicized form of "Þorgrímr" which is found in Viking Names found in the Landnámabók by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Friedemann) at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/landnamabok.htm. "København" is the Danish spelling of Copenhagen, as noted at the website Wonderful Copenhagen - The Official Tourist Site of Copenhagen! at http://www.woco.dk/composite(402).htm. This site notes "Grammaticus calls Copenhagen the Trader's Port (København in Danish) and tells how King Valdemar gave control of the town to Absalon in the late 1150s." Better documentation would help a lot! He will accept changes, cares most about the language/culture and meaning which he defines as "Thorgrim from the Merchant's harbor", the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be made authentic for "Danish" language/culture. The chevron is a little low on the field to make room for the hanging balance. That is not unusual under normal circumstances. What is unusual is the fact that it is a red chevron on a field that is 2/3 black. If the bottom half of the field were white, this would not normally be an issue. The fact that the hanging balance pushes the line of division lower on the field means that even if the bottom half were white it would not be truely neutral. Still, I am willing to give the client the benefit of the doubt unless somebody can come up with rules and precedents that would justify its return.
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Name and Device?): "Ok"
    [Green Anchor] - (Name): "My Danish-English dictionary doesn't show "van" at all. I suspect the correct preposition is either "av" or more likely "fra". Since it doesn't have an English-Danish section, I cannot be sure what the Danish equivalent of "the" is, nor even if it would be correct Danish usage here."
    [Lindorm] - (Name): "I don't really buy that documentation. "København" is a place name that derives from something Danish that meant "merchant's harbour". This doesn't mean that "København" means or ever meant "merchant's harbour". Nor does this mean that "from the merchant's harbour" is a valid Danish byname construction. He could be "from Copenhagen" with no problems, but this would not be "van de København". I'm almost certain that "van de" is Ducth or Low German rather than Danish."
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): "[returning *Per bend sinister argent and checky bendwise argent and gules, a bend sinister Or...*] "The field here, being half metal and half color and metal, is not a neutral field, but is 75% metal. Thus, the bend sinister is in violation of RfS VIII.2.a. and VIII.2.b.i." (Da'ud ibn Auda, LoAR April 1995, p. 9) This submission suffers the same problem, except that it is 75% color."
    [Black Pillar] - (Device): "There is a lengthy ruling on medium-contrast fields (and charges) in the 10/00 cover letter. Part of it is excerpted here: While there were not enough examples to make a conclusive decision solely from them, particularly as several examples are cadenced version of more standard arms, it is notable that most of examples the three-quarters dark field or charge was combined with metal. There were two examples combining three-quarters light fields with light ordinaries. These examples were found in late-period German armory, which has more examples than most other sources of cases violating the standard rules of contrast; furthermore the low contrast charge was an ordinary in both cases.

    These examples are not sufficient to draw conclusions about period practice. However, they do not refute the most obvious interpretation of the rules: that a charge or field that is primarily (that is, at least two thirds) a metal should be considered equivalent to a metal and a charge or field that is primarily a color should be considered equivalent to a color. This means that Randwulf's device is color-on-color and must be returned.

    This indicates that Rampart is correct, and the device should be returned."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "Unfortunately, it appears that the following two precedents apply: [Medium Contrast Fields] These examples are not sufficient to draw conclusions about period practice. However, they do not refute the most obvious interpretation of the rules: that a charge or field that is primarily (that is, at least two thirds) a metal should be considered equivalent to a metal and a charge or field that is primarily a color should be considered equivalent to a color. [10/00, CL] [Per pale checky argent and vert and sable, a wolf rampant counterchanged] Both the field and the charge are a mixture of a color and a neutral tincture. Therefore both the charge and the field are equivalent to colors and must be returned for violation of RfS VIII.2.c. For a more thorough discussion of the issue, see the cover letter. [Randwulf aet Blacwulveslea, 10/00, R-Trimaris] The field is equivalent to a color and the chevron is thus color on color."
    [canute] - (Device): "[Medium Contrast Fields] These examples are not sufficient to draw conclusions about period practice. However, they do not refute the most obvious interpretation of the rules: that a charge or field that is primarily (that is, at least two thirds) a metal should be considered equivalent to a metal and a charge or field that is primarily a color should be considered equivalent to a color. [10/00, CL] Precedents - Elsbeth, under Contrast This device violates RfS VIII.2.b.i since this field, being three quarters sable, is considered to be a color. All of the color on color exceptions that I am aware of used solid tincture fields, not divided ones. Return for reworking."

    ACTION: Name Passed. I will note that "van de" should probably be "av" or "fra", but will let Pelican make that decision. Device Returned for having a color charge on a field that is 3/4 color as per the precedents cited above.

  21. Thórvaldr í Vakkerfjelli Thórólfsson. Change of registered name resubmission.

  22. Dragonsspine, Barony of His name is currently registered as Thorvaldr Gángläre Vakkerfjell (November 1992 via the East). His previous attempt at changing this name to Thorvaldr Vakkerfjell Thórólfsson was returned by Laurel in February 2002 because no evidence was provided that the locative byname, Vakkerfjell, would be appropriate as a middle name element. I present the cover letter from the new documentation provided. I am not sure who wrote it, but I believe it may have been the Viking Answer Lady Christie Ward (Gunnora Hallakarva) since her website at http://www.vikinganswerlady.org/ONWomensNames.htm has exactly the same bibliography in exactly the same order and format as this letter. "Thórvaldr (Þórvaldr) The first element Þór- is identical to the Old Icelandic Þórr, the god of thunder. In modern usage the vowel is long (Þór-) before vowels h or d, but short (Þor-) before consonants, however it is thought that the long vowel occured always during the Viking Age. The name element -valdr is from the OW.Norse noun valdr m. "ruler", which is from Germanic *waldaz and is related to the OW.Norse verb valda "to rule". This name is found in Old Swedish as Thorvald or Thorald, and in OW.Norse as Þórvaldr or Þóraldr. Runic examples of this name include nominative case þurualtr and a fragmentary accusative form, þoral... GB p.16; FJ pp.347, 351; CV p.273 s.v. Þórr; NR s.v. Þór(v)aldr, Þór--/Þúr, -valdr. í Vakkerfjelli - Vakkerfjell is the name of a shire in the West Kingdom. The form "í Vakkerfjelli" is a locative by-name meaning "of Vakkerfjell". The formation of this name was based on information available at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/lindorm/runicbynames/places.htm. A copy of this information is included with this documentation. Thórólfr (Þórólfr) The first element Þór- is identical to the Old Icelandic Þórr, the god of thunder (as above). The second element -úlfr and the side form -ólfr are from *wulfaR, "wolf". When this second element appears in the latter part of masculine names, it is always pronounced as -ólfr, and quite often spelled that way as well. This name occurs in Old Danish as Thorulf, in Old Swedish as Thorolf, and in OW.Norse as Þórólfr. Runic examples include the nominative forms þorolr, þurlfr, þurulfR, þurulf, þuru(1)... and the genitive form þurulfs. GB p16; FJ pp. 347, 351; CV pp. 668, 743 s.v. úlfr, Þórr; NR s.v. ÞórulfR, Þór-/Þúr, -ulfR. Thórólfsson is the standard patronymic form of this name. Bibliography: CV = Cleasby, Richard and Guðbrandr Vigfusson. An Icelandic-English Dictionary. 2nd. ed. Oxford: Clarendon. 1957. GB=Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. The Old Norse Name. Studia Marklandica I. Olney, MD: Markland Medieval Militia. 1977. FJ=Fellows-Jensen, Gillian. Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. Copenhagen. Akademisk Forlag. 1968. NR=Lena Peterson. Nordisk Runnamnslexikon. (Dictionary of Names from Old Norse Runic Inscriptions). Språk- och folkminnes-institutet (Institute for Dialectology, Onomastics and Folklore Research)." The client will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic for 10th c. Swedish language/culture. I will be returning this submission in September because it does not address the reason that it was returned from Laurel. No documentation was provided that "í Vakkerfjelli" is any more appropriate as a middle name element than "Vakkerfjell" was. There is a single example of a similar construction on the website the client provided as documentation for "í Vakkerfjelli"; "Ólaf Erlendsson á Bygglandi" means "Ólafr of Byggland, Erlendr's son". Based on this, "Thórvaldr Thórólfsson á Vakkerfjelli" would be registerable, but since the client will not allow major changes, it must be returned.
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Name): "I concur with Rampart's comments that this does not address the reason for the previous return."
    [Lindorm] - (Name): "Is the problem the order of the bynames? I can probably find documentation for . I can certainly document that Old Swedish was very flexible regarding where the patronymic went. Even examples with non-name phrases between the given and the patronymic... I can also document the use of the preposition "í" in locative bynames, if that's neccesary."

    ACTION: Name Passed with a note to Pelican that Lindorm should be providing additional documentation at some point.

  23. Timony Olyveyr. New Name and Device. Pean, a unicorn and a winged cat combattant argent.

  24. Caer Galen, Shire of "Timony" is the client's legal given name. A copy of her birth certificate was provided. "Olyveyr" is in Reaney & Wilson, page 329, s.n. Oliver. She will not accept major changes, cares most about the sound, and the desired gender is female.
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Device): "Looks fine to me."
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "I find the contrast between the drawing styles of the unicorn and the cat a bit disconcerting, but that's no bar to registration."

    [Sommelier] - (Device): "Possible conflict with Bridei nic Gillechatten (01/82), Vert, a unicorn and a domestic cat salient combattant argent. There's a CD for changes to the field. Generally adding wings to a critter is a CD but in this case I'm not sure it is since the cat is only half the primary charge group and the wings are relative small - especially considering the overall similarity of the two devices."
    [canute] - (Device): "There should be some separation between these charges. Clear"

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Returned for conflict with Bridei nic Gillechatten (01/82), "Vert, a unicorn and a domestic cat salient combattant argent." I leave it up to the client to determine if she wants to draw the wings on the cat larger for the second CD or make other changes to the device.

  25. Toirrdhealbhaigh mac Toirrdhealbhach mic Aonghusa. New Name and Device. Per bend sinister embattled vert and argent, a lion rampant Or and a dexter hand appaumy couped at the wrist sable.

  26. Dragonsspine, Barony of All that I received for documentation was a cover letter which was written in a fairly confusing manner. I will reproduce it here in the hopes that somebody can figure it out. "1. Source: O'Corrin, Donnchadh & Maguire, Fidelma. Irish Names ref. Tairdelbach (arbiter, instigator) p.? 2. Source: Electronic copy http://www.ucc.ie/celt/ Annala Rioghachata Eireann: Annals of the kingdom of Ireland by the Four Masters, from the earliest period to the year 1616. Edited from MSS in the Library of the Royal Irish Academy and of Trinity College Dublin with a translation and copious notes.. John O'Donovan (ed), First edition [Seven volumes. Volumes i--ii: pp v--vi (dedicatory letter of the editor)+ pp vii-liv (introductory remarks, including original documents) + pp lv--lxi (epistle dedicatory of Míchéal Ó Cléirigh) + pp lxiii-lxxi (contemporary approbations of the work) + pp 2--1187 [text and translation] + pp 1189--93 [addenda and corrigenda]; volumes iii--vi (pp 2--2375 [text and translation] + pp 2377--2494 [a genealogical appendix, including original documents] + 2494--98 [addenda et corrigenda]); volume vii (pp 405 [indexes]). There are three seperate paginations: volumes i-ii, volumes iii-vi, and volume vii, each having seperate pagination. The whole work, therefore, extends to 4167 pp.] Hodges and SmithDublin (1848-51)
    M1520.2 (vol. v, p. 1348) http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/G100005E/text003.html Mag Aonghusa Domhnall mac Aodha mic Airt d'écc, & Feilim an Einigh a dhearbhrathair d'oirdneadh 'na ionadh, a écc sin dna, & Mag Aonghusa do ghairm d'Emann Buidhe Mág Aéngusa.
    M1520.2 (vol. v, p. 1349) http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100005E/text002.html Magennis (Donnell, the son of Hugh, son of Art) died; and Felim the Hospitable, his brother, was inaugurated in his place; and he also died, and Edmond Boy Magennis was styled the Magennis.
    M1542.3 (vol. v, p. 1468) http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/G100005E/text005.html Mac Uí Bhriain Toirrdhealbhach mac Murchaidh mic Toirrdhealbhaigh d'écc le h-adhart i n-Innsi I Chuinn fer a aesa ba ferr lamh, iomradh, & oirdhercus ina aimsir esidhe.
    M1542.3http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100005E/text005.htmlThe son of O'Brien (Turlough, the son of Murrough, son of Turlough) died in his bed, at Inis-I-Chuinn. He was the most expert at arms, the most famous and illustrious man, of his years, in his time.
    The client cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is male, and he is most interested in having his name be authentic for 13th to 16th century time period and language/culture which he notes simply as "Irish".

    [Gold Trumpet] - (Name): "I can recognize the desired name elements in the citations, although this is a mess. Who was the consulting herald? I suspect he may have circumvented his local herald. Is www.ucc.ie/celt/ a viable source? My inclination is to return it."
    [Green Anchor] - (Name): "The given name "Toirdhealbhach" is found in O'C&M, p.169, as a modern form of the period name "Tairdelbach". The client's spellings of the given name and the patronymic are not listed. It further appears that the given name, if that spelling can be documented, is in the genitive case, and the patronymic is in nominative: just the opposite of what one would expect. I also wonder it was Irish usage to name a son after his father. O'C&M list "Aonghus" on p.148 as a modern form of "{O'}engus". The submitted form does appear to be in genitive case."
    [Sommelier] - (Name): "Gaelic is not my expertise; however, if I’m interpreting the documentation correctly I think this should be Toirrdhealbhach mac Toirrdhealbhaigh mic Aonghusa (based on M1542.3)."
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): "Hands are dexter, appaumy, and couped at the wrist (or close enough as to make a never-no-mind) by default; we can safely blazon this simply as *a hand sable.*"
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "Reblazon Per bend sinister embattled vert and argent, a lion Or and a hand sable." [canute] - (Device): "Clear"

    Name Passed as Toirrdhealbhach mac Toirrdhealbhaigh mic Aonghusa (based on M1542.3). Device Passed as "Per bend sinister embattled vert and argent, a lion Or and a hand sable."

  27. Ulrich Krieger. Device resubmission (L). Barry and per chevron throughout pean and erminois.

  28. Drygestan, Shire of His name was registered in October 1999 via the Outlands. His first device attempt, Sable, a chevron rompu inverted vert fimbriated Or. was returned from Kingdom in May 1999 for fimbriating a complex object. His previous device submission, Barry and per chevron throughout sable and Or. was returned from Laurel in January 2000 for conflict with Gonzaga (important non SCA arms), Barry Or and sable. and Barry Goldsson, Barry of six Or and sable. There was only a single CD for change of half the field.
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): "I hadn't realized this was supposed to be "per chevron throughout" until I read the blazon; it looks more like *a pile inverted*. I would expect "per chevron", throughout or not, to issue from higher on the sides of the shield. RfS VII.7.a. requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance."
    [Gold Trumpet] - (Device): "Ok, but I don't ever want to have to draw or sew it."
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "This borders on being unacceptable under the prohibition of op-art designs (RfS VIII.4.d), but I'd say it doesn't actually violate the rule."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): The previous Laurel return was the December 1999 LoAR not the January 2000 LoAR. Of the registered erminois/pean fields I would call this clear of three: Abel Parnell le Guide (12/96), Per bend pean and erminois, Guillaume de Blumont (03/97), Per bend sinister erminois and pean, and Katharine Devereaux (12/01), Per saltire erminois and pean. In each case there is a CD for changing the number of pieces in the partition of the field and another for the direction of the lines. Possible conflict with the fourth: Adelheid von Katzenellenbogen (01/00), Gyronny erminois and pean. There is a CD for changing the direction of the lines but not for the number of pieces in the partition. I'm not sure that RfS X.4.a (substantial change of partition) clears this one, though I think it does."
    [canute] - (Device): "I'm not sure if RfS X.4.a.ii.(a) applies to a field that's barry AND per chevron. If this was one or the other, it would be clear. If the complexity of the combination means that the rule doesn't apply, there are several possible conflicts with a single CD for changing the field division. Adelheid von Katzenellenbogen - January of 2000 (via An Tir): Gyronny erminois and pean. Abel Parnell le Guide - December of 1996 (via the East): Per bend pean and erminois. Guillaume de Blumont - March of 1997 (via the East): Per bend sinister erminois and pean. Katharine Devereaux - December of 2001 (via Atlantia): Per saltire erminois and pean. I think this needs to be sent up for a decision on whether RfS X.4.a.ii.(a) applies to a combination of field divisions."

    Device Passed.

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