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Outlands College of Heralds

Januray 18, 2009
From the Office of the Castle Herald
Baron Randal Carrick
castle@outlandsheralds.org

UNTO the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 18th day of January A.S. xxxxiii (2009 CE), does Don Randal Carrick send greetings on behalf of The Honourable Lady Marie de Blois, White Stag Principal Herald.

To clarify the items required to be sent to Castle to ensure processing of your submission:

1. 2 copies of name forms, each including a photocopy of all documentation from souces not listed here: http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/admin.html#APPENDIX_H

2. 2 line drawing and 3 crayola marker colored copies of device forms.  

3. A check from an SCA branch in the amount of $8 for each new name, device, or badge submission included in the packet

4. In the case of resubmissions or appeals of returns, please try and indicate the letter the item was returned on in the area provided on the forms.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands Letter of Presentation for January 2009. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are my sole responsibility.

Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by February 21, 2009, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for February 22, 2009.  As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.

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January 2009 Letter of Presentation
February 2009 Letter of Response
February 2009 Letter of Intent
June 2009 LoAR Results
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1. Caerthe, Barony of. Order Name Appeal - Order of the Dreamer's Cup.

(Caerthe) Caerthe, Barony of was registered in January of 1973 via Laurel.
Originally submitted as "Order of the Dreamer's Cup." Order name was returned by Laurel on the February 1995 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1995/02/lar.html), stating: "The order name does not appear to follow any period exemplars that any of the commenters could find. [It was suggested that the "Order of the Cup" would be far more appropriate.]"

This is an appeal of that decision.

This order name follows the Laurel Meta-pattern of "Order named for object of religous veneration" as outlined on the August 2005 LoAR. This order name also follows the frequently used pattern of [adjective + thing] as defined by Project Ordensnamen by Meradudd Cethin (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/).

[Cup] - OED has a definition of [cup] of "a drinking-vessel" with a spelling of [cup] used as early as 1583.
[Dreamer] - OED has a definition of [dreamer] of "one who dreams; one who has visions in sleep; a visionary; an idle speculator" with a spelling of [dreamer] used as early as 1533.

The medieval period has a long history of venerating cups & chalices, primarily due to the associations with the Holy Grail. Wikipedia (among many, many other sites and texts) under "Holy Chalice" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Chalice) lists three major contenders within period as being considered the true "Holy Chalice" used at the Last Supper within the Christian tradition, with many goblets and cups within period being locally believed to be the true chalice. The Holy Grail tradition was the focus of Sir Thomas Malory's "Le Morte d'Arthur" published in 1485. Other sources, including "The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets" by Barbara G. Walker cites a strong connection between the medieval Holy Chalice and the early Celtic traditions of magical cauldrons, including Ceridwen's Cauldron. Aspen Pursuivant considers the nature and role of cups and grails within western medieval religion to be essentially common knowledge, and is therefore not including hardcopy proving this point (but will if it becomes necessary).

Within the Barony of Caerthe, the Dreamer's Cup is a physical goblet used as a traveling award, and is venerated within the Barony to near religious levels.

This order name is for an order for those who exemplify the ideals of the Society, and if registered should be associated with the badge "Per bend Or and vert, an aspen leaf and a goblet counter-changed."

2. Caerthe, Barony of. New Order Name - Order of the Sapling of Caerthe.

(Caerthe) Caerthe, Barony of was registered in January of 1973 via Laurel.

This order name follows the Laurel Meta-pattern of "Order named for heraldic charge" as outlined on the August 2005 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2005/08/05-08cl.html). This order name also follows the frequently used pattern of [thing + place] as defined by Project Ordensnamen by Meradudd Cethin (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/).

[Sapling] - OED has a definition of [sapling] of "a young tree" with a spelling of [sapling] used as early as 1543.

This order name is for a children's order, and if registered should be associated with (Fieldless) An aspen tree proper issuant from an egg fesswise fracted Or.

3. Mary Champernowne. Device Resubmission. Per bend sinister argent and azure, a winged cat sejant to dexter sable and three cat pawprints in bend sinister argent.

(Caer Galen) Submitter's name was re-submitted on the December 2008 LOP for the Outlands (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2008-12-lop/0812-lop.html).

The device was returned by Kingdom on the July 2008 LOR(http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2008-06-lop/0807-lor.html), stating: "Additionally, the device is returned for lack of armorial identifiability of the pawprints due to size, arrangement and orientation."

The device has been redrawn to change the size, number, and orientation of the pawprints.

4. Tatiana Moskovskaia. Change of Name and Device. Argent, semy of birch leaves vert, a great dane dog couchant sable.

(Caerthe) Gender: Female. Submitter will not accept changes to the name.

Submitter's current name and device (Eowyn Erthton, Erminois, in pale two catamounts passant contourny, a bordure rayonny sable) were registered on the October 2000 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2000/10/00-10lar.html) via Atenveldt.

[Tatiana] - "Dictionary of Period Russian Names" by Paul Wickenden of Thanet (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/paul/) states it is a variant of [Tat'iana] and dates the spelling [Tatiana] as early as 225.

[Moskovskaia] - "Dictionary of Period Russian Names" by Paul Wickenden of Thanet (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/paul/) states [Moskva (Moscow)] was founded in 1147. "Locative Bynames in Medieval Russia" by Paul Wickenden of Thanet (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/toprus.html) under section IV states that locative bynames are created by taking the toponym and adding an adjectival suffix, the feminine version being [-skaia]. 

If the new name and device are registered, submitter wishes to release the old name and device.

Thus ends the January 2009 Letter of Presentation.

Your servant,

Randal Carrick
Castle Herald