Last modified November 23, 2004

Outlands College of Heralds

From the office of the Rampart Herald
Lady Alia Marie de Blois

UNTO Shauna of Carrick Point, Laurel Queen of Arms, Margaret MacDuibhshithe, Pelican Queen of Arms, Evan da Colleuro, Armory King of Arms, Daniel de Lincoln, Laurel clerk, and the College of Arms, upon this 27th day of October 2004, A.S. XXXVII (2004 CE),

DOES Lady Alia Marie de Blois, Rampart Herald, send greetings and fond thoughts.

On behalf of Lady Sorcha MacLeod, White Stag Principal Herald, I offer the following submissions for registration:

  1. Alzhbeta of Sighisoara. Primary Name (New) and Device (New). Argent, four oak leaves in saltire stems to center vert, in base an acorn proper, a bordure purpure.
    Alzhbeta is found in the "Dictionary of Period Russian Names" by Paul Wickenden of Thanet ( as a header form, with this spelling dated to 1211. Sighisoara is a town in Transylvania, a Romanian province, but the documentation for this doesn't show the title of the source. It's readily found as the current spelling of this town in Wikipedia ( However, I have no good sources for period Romanian place names and seek the assistance of the College in this matter.
    She cares most about the meaning (keep a variation of Elizabeth) and the language/culture "14th century Wallachia, and is intersted in authenticity for "14th cent Wallachia" langauge/culture.
  2. Brian macc Fáeláin. Change of Registered Device (New). Per saltire sable and gules, a lion rampant argent between three mullets of eight points Or.
    His name was registered in February 2002 (via the Outlands), and his current device, Per saltire sable and gules, a tyger rampant argent between three mullets of eight points Or, was registered at that time. This changes the tyger to a lion.
    If this is registered, he wishes to release his old device.
  3. Caer Galen, Barony of. Badge (New). (Fieldless) On a cauldron azure, a harp Or.
    The Barony's name was registered in May 1980. This badge is intended for the use of the Cooks Guild.
  4. Cecelia Wrenne. Primary Name (New) and Device (New). Argent, two arrows crossed inverted in saltire, overall a feather vert, a bordure embattled purpure.
    Cecilia is found in Withycombe on page 19, but the submittor failed to give a date or the header. It is also found in the "Brass Enscription Index" by Juliana Goodwyn (, and is dated to 1499 in this spelling (women.html). Wrenne is found in the same source (lastnameIZ.htm) in the W section, and is dated to 1511.
    She will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture and is interested in being authentic for "English 16th C" language/culture.
  5. Ceolwen æt Axanbrycge. Change of Registered Name (New) and Change of Registered Device (New) . Change from Kymme Godric. Per pale gules and sable, a pall ermine.
    Her current name, Kymme Godric, and current device, Per saltire sable and vert, an elephant and an orle Or, were registered by Laurel in February of 2002. Ceolwen is found in "Anglo-Saxon Women's Names from Royal Charters" by Marieke van de Dal ( as a header form with this spelling dated to circa 900. Axanbrycge is found in the Oxford Dictionary of Place Names by A. D. Mills, on page 19 under the header Axbridge, and says specifically, "Axanbrycg 10th cent. 'Bridge over the River Axe'. Celtic river-name (meaning uncertain) + OE brycg". Also provided were copies of correspondence with Talan Gwynek about the addition of -e when following the preposition aet/of.
    She cares most about the language/culture, and is interested in authenticity for "8th-9th century" time period. It was mentioned in commentary that a more authentic spelling would be Ceolwenne or Ceolwin. The submitter was at the meeting and does prefer the Ceolwen spelling over either of those, and prefers Ceolwenne over Ceolwin. If this name is registered, she would like to release her old name, which is the default action. If this device is registered, she wishes the old device to be retained as a badge.
  6. Friedrich Wilhelmssohn. Primary Name (New) and Device (New). Quarterly sable and gules, a triskelion of wings argent.
    Friedrich is found in "Late Period German Masculine Given Names" by Talan Gwynek ( Wilhelm is found in the same source in the alphabetical list from Arnsburg in the 15th C (arnsburg15.html), and is made into a patronymic by adding -ssohn, in keeping with the August 2003 registration of Wolfgang Güntherssohn, which says in part, "... the expected form would have an s added to the end of the father's name, forming a patronymic such as Günthers sohn. Brechenmacher (s.n. Wolterssohn) also shows an example of the sohn 'son' element appended to the end of the patronym: Jasper Wolterszoen 1573. This example supports a construction such as Güntherssohn."
    He will not allow major changes, cares most about the meaning "Son of Wilhelm" and is interested in authenticity for "Bavarian late 16th C" time period and language/culture. Submitted as Wilhelmsson, it was changed to Wilhelmssohn to match the cited precedent.
  7. Gerhardt Drachenmacher. Change of Holding Name (New). Gerhardt Drachenmacher.
    This exact name was returned in April 1999 by Laurel for lack of documentation of the byname, and the holding name Gerhardt of the Outlands was registered in its place. This time documentation was provided to show that a) kites in Germany are known as 'drache', meaning dragon, b) kites were known in Germany in our period, and c) both 'macher' and the "noun-verb" construction of occupational bynames exists in German names.
    Included was a page from the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Brittanica with the entry on Kite-flying, which says, in part, "(called kites, after the bird -- in German Drache, dragon)". Also included was a page from Kites Sculpting the Sky, by Tsutomu Hiroi, which says "In the fourteenth century, kite-flying on horseback was in vogue among the German military". Lastly, a number of citations from Bahlow's Deutsches Namenlexikon, specifically the entries on page 101 (Drache, with C. Drache dated to 1357), page 327 (Macher(t), and Mach(e)leidt, which is dated to 1352), page 116 (Eisenhauer, with Eschau Eisenhauer dated to 1312), page 134 (Fenster(er), with a subheading Fenstermacher (no date)), and page 465 (Schomann, Schomaker, with a subheading Schumacher (undated). (some of those dates may be off - the photocopy is fuzzy). Gerhardt is found in Bahlow on page 165, and is already part of his holding name.
    He will not allow major changes, cares most about the meaning "Gerald the kite maker", and is interested in "14th cent Saxon (German Saxon, not British Isles)" time period.
  8. Gwilim de Glamorgan. Change of Registered Name (New) from Gwillim Glamorgan.
    This name was registered by Laurel in July of 2000. It appears that, at kingdom, the documentation for this name was lost, and had to be recreated. Based on the recreated docs, a second 'l' was added and the 'de' was lost from the desired name. His original documentation has been resent. Gwilim is found in A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (, listed as "[William] Wilim, Gwilim". Glamorgan is already part of his registered name, and is a county in Wales. He would strongly prefer to be de Glamorgan.
    He cares most about locative accuracy (as a Welsh borderer) and does not care about accuracy for Welsh construction - "Glamorgan, being a marcher county, was at the time of my interest, highly Normanized and I would be very happy with the Norman-Welsh construction."
  9. Kieran Blake. Primary Name (New).
    Kieran is mentioned in O'Corrain and Maguire's Irish Names on page 51, under the header form Ciarán, and specifically says that Ciarán is generally anglicized as Kieran. Additionally, although this is no guarantee of registrability, Kieran was registered in this spelling as recently as 10/2001 (Kieran Hunter) and 04/2003 (Kieran Moncreiff of Dundee) without comment. Blake is documented from Irish Families (4th ed.) also by MacLysaght, on page 43, where it discusses the byname Blake, which "descend from Richard Caddell, also called Blake, who was Sheriff of Connacht in 1303".
    He will not allow major changes, cares most about the language/culture, and is interested in authenticity for "16th Century" time period. Correspondence with the submitter indicates that he sought an anglicized name, not a fully Gaelic one.
  10. Marie Edeline. New Device. Sable, two greyhounds sejant reguardant addorsed Or and argent, collared sable.
    Her name was registered in March 2004.
  11. Penelope Carlyll. Primary Name (New) and Device (New). Argent, a vol and a chief sable.
    Penelope is found in Withycombe's Oxford English Dictionary of Christian Names on page 240, which says that it is Greek in origin, but specifically dates Penelope Devereux, daughter of the Earl of Essex, as living from 1562-1602. Carlyll is found in the "Brass Enscription Index" by Juliana Goodwyn (, and is dated to 1489 in this spelling (lastnameAH.html).
    She will not accept major changes, cares most about the sound and is interested in being authentic for "English" language/culture.
  12. Savina Labrune. Primary Name (New).
    Savina is found in Dauzat's Dictionnaire Etymologique des Noms de Famille et Prenoms de Francepage 533 (Sabin+ and page 544 (Savin+). Labrune is found in the same source on page 72 (Brun) and page 354 (Labrune).
    She will not allow major changes, cares most abou the sound, and is interested in authenticity for "late 14th, early 15C French" language/culture. Submitted as La Brune, the documentation supported Labrune and it was changed to match.
  13. Uluric of York. Primary Name (New).
    Uluric is documented from Withycombe's Oxford English Dictionary of Christian Names on page 284 under the header Ulric, with the spellings Ulricus and Uluric dated to 1086. York is a locative byname found in Reaney and Wilson's Dictionary of English Surnames on page 508 under the header York, with the spelling 'de York' dated to 1324.
    He will not allow major changes, and cares most about the sound. Submitted as Ulrick, this spelling was not documented, and it was changed to the closest of the documented forms.
  14. Viğarr Leğrhals. Primary Name (New).
    All parts of this name are found in Geirr Bassi's The Old Norse Name. Viğarr is found on page 16 as a masculine name and leğrhals is found on page 25 as a descriptive nickname meaning "leather-neck".
    He will not allow major changes, cares most about the language/culture, and is interested in authenticity for "Norse" language/culture. Submitted as Leğrhals, it was changed to leğrhals to match current precedent regarding lowercases in Norse bynames.
  15. Violetta Bellafiori. Device (New). Paly argent and purpure, a pegasus passant Or.
    Her name was sent to Laurel on the June 2004 Letter of Intent
  16. Ymanya Murray. Change of Registered Name (New) from Amanda Murray.
    Ymanya is found in Bardsley's Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames on page 273, under the header Emeny, with one Ymanya de Thuyt listed from the Hundred Rolls of 1273. Murray is grandfathered to her as part of her current name.
    If registered, she wishes to retain the old name as an alternate name.
  17. Ymanya Murray. Badge (New). (Fieldless) On an open scroll argent, a stags attire palewise gules.
    Her current name, Amanda Murray, was registered in March 1998, and her change of registered name submission, Ymanya Murray, appears on this Letter. There is a possible conflict with Erna Kreisel, Vert, on an open book argent, a heart gules. There is definitely a CD for the change to the field, but there is no CD for changing only the type of the tertiary charge (between one stags attire gules vs. one heart gules, only the type changes). The only other possible CD is between an open scroll and an open book. Prior precedent indicates that scrolls are not given difference from books:
    "The use of two similar but non-identical charges in a group has been cause for return many times in the past. A scroll is one kind of book and a book is another." (LoAR 7/91 p.24).
    However, a more recent precedent may also be applicable:
    [Sable, three open books Or] This submission raised the question of whether we should give difference between open and closed books. Both are found in period armory: the open book in the arms of Oxford in 1585 and the closed book in the arms of Cambridge in 1572. There are few books found in period heraldry, so it is not easy to generalize about period distinctions between open and closed books, although there is a fair amount of evidence showing that Oxford and Cambridge consistently use their books in the open and closed forms respectively in the 17th C and beyond.
    Without evidence of period practice, we must rely on visual distinction, and open and closed books are visually distinct. This is therefore clear of conflict with ... Sable, a closed book palewise Or, with one CD for changing the number of books and another for open versus closed books. It is similarly clear of conflict with ... Vert, three closed books palewise, spines to sinister Or, with one CD for changing the field and another for open versus closed books. [Emma in draumspaka, 03/02, A-An Tir]
    This opens the possibility that an open scroll may be considered visually different from an open book. An open scroll is longer vertically, while an open book will be longer horizontally. One of the commentors suggested, and those at the Rampart meeting concurred, that they are at least as visually distinct as an open book and a closed book. Therefore, I am sending this up to Laurel and the College of Arms for futher consideration.

Line Emblazon Sheet
Color Emblazon Sheet
September 2004 Letter of Presentation
October 2004 Letter of Response
October 2004 Letter of Intent
February 2005 LoAR Results
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