July 28, 2004
Outlands College of Heralds
From the office of the Rampart Herald
Lady Alia Marie de Blois
Color Emblazon Sheet
April 2004 Letter of Presentation
May 2004 Letter of Response
May 2004 Letter of Intent
September 2004 LoAR Results
the Rampart home page.
Commentary was provided by: Master Da'ud ibn Auda, al-Jamal Herald; Lady Aryanhwy
merch Catmael, Boke Herawde; cnut; Lord Gawain, Green Anchor Herald; and Lady
Mór inghean Chathail. Thank you all.
Present at the Rampart Decision Meeting: Alia Marie de Blois, Rampart Herald;
Anne Aliz de Basle, Fretty Herald; Charles Robert Blackstone; Juan Balthazar
Tegero; AEthelwulf of Golias; Odile Balestra; Melchior auf die Missen.
(Unless otherwise noted, all submittors will accept all changes, have no authenticity
requests, and wish a name with the "common sense" gender, based on
the submitted name.)
The following submissions were sent on to Laurel and the College of Arms for
- Bianca Mantegna. New Device. Argent, a bend sinister gules
between a rabbit contourny and a rabbit sable.
- Bianca Mantegna. New Badge. Argent, two rabbits regardant
- Brigit Camshrón. Change of Holding Name from Brigit
of Tir Ysgthir.
Her previous name submission, Brigit Inghean Uí chumaraín,
was returned by Laurel in October of 2003 for a lack of documentation that Ó Cumaráin
(of which inghean uí Chumaraín was intended to be a feminization
of) existed in period, and her armory was registered under the holding name
Brigit of Tir Ysgthir. Brigit is found on pages 36-7 of O'Corrain and Maguire's Irish
Names. Camshrón is found on page 35 MacLysaght's Surnames of
Ireland under the header Cameron.
She cares most about the meaning "Cameron/Chambers" and the language/culture "Irish",
she is interested in authenticity for "Irish" language/culture.
- Cadfarch ap Nir Caerleon. Resubmitted Name (kingdom) and
Resubmitted Device (kingdom). Per pall Or, gules, and sable all semy of hawk's
lures counterchanged sable and Or.
Submitted as Cadfarch ap Nir CaerLeon, the capital L in the byname was lowercased
because no evidence was found that a locative such as this would have a capital
in the middle (and since the documentation gave the name in all caps, it
wasn't possible to tell from there). It should also be noted that Morgan & Morgan's Welsh
Surnames, lists this on page 65 under the header Caerleon (no capital
- Cristiane Woayde. New Name (See the returns section for
Submitted as Christian Woayde, the forms said that Christian is found in
Withycombe, Oxford English Dictionary of Christian Names, 3rd ed,
on page 61, dated to 1379. The actual spelling dated to 1379 is Cristiane,
and it was changed to this spelling.
- Dalia d'Auria. New Name and New Device. Per pale sable
and gules, two chevronels inverted Or.
Inadvertently blazoned as "two chevronels Or" in the LoP, they
are definitely "two chevronels inverted Or".
- Diana Kellye. New Name.
- Fíne Binnech. New Name and New Device. Argent,
a triquetra purpure interlaced with an annulet within a bordure wavy gules.
- Jayne Barber. New Name (See the returns section for the
- John Armor. New Name (See the returns section for the
- Katrine van Deventer. New Device. Per chevron ployé purpure
and argent, a mullet of seven points issuant from the line of division argent,
in base a magpie sable marked argent.
Originally blazoned as a mullet of eight points, the eighth point
is missing (part of the chevron ploye), so this was reblazoned as a mullet
of seven points.
- Melchior auf die Missen. New Name and New Device. Per
pale argent and azure, an ermine spot counterchanged. Submitted as Melchior
auf die Missen, "die" was dropped based on commentary that the "die" in
Bahlow was probably an inadvertent untranslated "die" (thus should
have read "the Missen"), and therefore, in a byname if
would have been "auf Missen", "of the wooded swamps".
- Michael of Ravenskeep. Resubmitted Device. Argent, a pile
sable and overall a chevron counterchanged argent and vert.
His name was registered in July 2002 and his previous, identically blazoned
device was returned at that time for improperly rendering the pile as issuing
from the corners of the shield. This resubmission has the pile drawn properly.
- Œngus ua Faeláin. New Name and New Device.
Argent, between two pithons erect addorsed, a wolf's head cabossed sable,
Submitted as Œngus O' Faelan, O' was changed to ua as the proper connecting
particle, and Faelan was changed to Faeláin, as found in the Index
of Irish Annals (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Faelan.shtml),
so that this is a fully Gaelicized name.
- Pettronella of Caer Galen. New Name and New Device. Per
fess Or and azure, in pale a peacock in its pride proper and a wheel Or.
Although authenticity for "16 Century" (unspecified) was requested,
using an SCA group name pretty much precludes historical authenticy.
- Rafi'a al-Zarqa'. New Name (See the returns section for
- Sajah al-Tayyibah. New Name.
Submitted as Sajah Al-Tayyiba, the byname was changed to al-Tayyibah to have
proper capitalization (namely, lack thereof for al-) and to match in transliteration
- Thomas Winterbourne of Kent. New Name.
Thomas is found in Withycombe's The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian
Names on page 279, dated to 1086. Winterbourne and Kent are found in A
Dictionary of English Surnames by Reaney and Wilson, with Winterbourne
dated to 1341 on page 496 and Kent dated to 1185 on page 263.
He will not allow major changes, cares most about the sound, and is interested
in authenticity for "12th-14th C. English" langauge/culture.
- William Sutherland. New Name and New Device. Per bend
sinister sable and vert in dexter chief an acorn slipped and leaves bendwise
within a bordure engrailed argent.
William is found in Black's Surnames of Scotland on page 816 under
the header William, mentioning one "William the Lion (1165-1214)".
Sutherland is also found in Black's Surnames of Scotland, on page
756 under the header Sutherlan, Sutherland, which says "From the name
of the shire ... Alexander Sutherland ... 1441".
He has no requests.
The following items were returned for further work:
- Æthelind of Erbystok. New Badge. (Fieldless) A key
sable and a ladle Or in saltire.
On the forms, this is called a spoon, but the emblazon definitely shows a
ladle. I'm not sure how to blazon that the ladle is full of vert. The general
consensus was that this was both too large to consider an artistic detail,
yet there just wasn't a good way to blazon it. Additionally, RfS VII.7.a.
requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance." and
RfS VII.7.b. requires that "Elements must be reconstructible in a recognizable
form from a competent blazon." This is likely to fall afoul of both.
- Cristiane Woayde. New Device. Quarterly vert and azure,
a catamount's head cabossed Or.
This is being returned for multiple conflicts, including the Kingdom of Meridies, Vair
ancient, a lion's head cabossed Or, orbed and langed gules, and Murdoch
Bayne, Per chevron ermine and vert, in base a lion's head cabossed Or,
each of which only have one CD for the change to the field. There are enough
conflicts that I can only suggest meeting with the local herald and going
conflict checking various other designs.
- Fína ingen Chionaith. New Device. Gules, a cross
sable fimbriated argent between in bend two needles bendwise sinister Or
threaded and in bend sinister two hands appaumy argent.
This device is being returned for conflict. A charge X fimbriated Y can also
be considered as "On a charge Y, a charge X." Considered as Gules,
on a cross argent between in bend two needles bendwise sinister Or threaded
and in bend sinister two hands appaumy argent a cross sable, this conflicts
with Guy of Brackley, Gules, a fess Or overall on a pale argent a cross
patty elongated in pale sable, with one CD for the added secondary group
and no CD for changing only the type of the tertiary cross.
I would also note that, even though it is not technically marshalling, at
least one experienced herald mistook it for marshalling, and a resubmission
should pay close attention to that. Additionally, this is really really skinny
[Rampart Note 2004-07-14: Suddenly, that conflict makes no bloody sense.
I'm reconsidering this device and sending it up.]
- Gwilym Sais. New Badge. (Fieldless) A dove volant argent,
sustaining a scroll gules.
This is being returned for a redraw. This posture isn't really very volant,
nor does this dove have the distinguishing head tuft of a dove. Additionally,
when redrawing, the blazon should probably indicate that the scroll is sustained
in the beak, instead of with the wings or feet.
- Jayne Barber. New Device. Azure, a man and a woman dancing
aversant argent and a chief ermine.
This device is being returned, both for the very odd posture (an odd conjoining
at the arms/shoulders) and per the following precedent:
[a mermaid tergiant] ... the mermaid is in a non-heraldic posture.
We know of no examples of humanoids or other mammals with their backs facing
the viewer. [False Isle, Shire of, 10/99, R-An Tir] [Ed.: Returned for
lack of petition]
Even if the tergiant is merely a weirdness, the dancing position itself is
a second step from period style.
- Jentien Van der Roet. New Name and New Device. Argent,
a pale sable, overall a triskele of tulips slipped and leaved counterchanged.
This name is being returned for multiple reasons. First, the documentation
provided supported Jantien, not Jentien. Although the submission form states
that there is support for the 'a'/'e' swap, none was provided (or
possibly I did not see it clearly enough). Secondly, Van der Roet was submitted
as a constructed byname meaning "of the soot", based on the examples
van de Weyden ("of the meadow") and van der Zee ("of the sea"),
but "soot" is a pretty far cry from "meadow" and "sea".
Both meadows and seas (or at least a ship on the sea) are reasonable literal
locations to be from, and one is only likely to be from some soot in a figurative
sense, and naming practices in period tended to be much more literal ("Crookshanks")
than figurative ("the Indecisive"). Also, I'd really like to see
some additional examples, to have a better idea of the pattern, especially
since one of them is during the "grey period" between 1600 and
The device is being returned, based on the precedent:
"The only time we permit a charge to be counterchanged over
another is when they are both ordinaries." (Shire of Crystal Crags, 12/98
- John Armor. New Device. Or, two dragons combattant [unknown
tincture], [a bordure sable?].
No color copies of the device were received. The outline copies had no blazon,
just these notes: "1) Gold base, 2) Dragons outlined in black, 3) black
border to shield edge". From this, I've taken a couple shots at what
he might have meant. The outline copy does not indicate any kind of bordure
at all, other than the shield outline on the form which indicates the boundaries
of the shape. It looks like the submittor lives in a remote area, relatively
far from heralds, so if there's anyone with heraldic drawing skills who wants
to try a redraw or two to give him some options, that might be nice. Let
me know, and I'll try to get you in touch.
- Katrine van Deventer. New Badge. Per chevron ployé purpure
and argent, a mullet of eight points issuant from the line of division argent.
This device is being returned for conflict with Katya Anna Sylvan, Per
chevron throughout purpure and argent, two compass stars argent and a fox
sejant gules, with only one CD for the change in number of the primary
charge group (1 vs 3), and Rivenstar, Barony of, Azure, a riven star
argent, with only one CD for changing the field (azure vs per chevron
purpure and argent).
- Niamh nic Moirreach. Change of Registered Name from Amanda
This name is being returned for a combination of reasons. Firstly, nic is
the post-period particle used for indicating relationship. It's period counterpart
would be inghean mhic. Secondly, there are issues with Moirreach,
including documentation, periodicity, and language. Since major changes are
not allowed, and changing the language of an element is a major change, this
cannot be changed to a registerable form. It appears that changing to either inghean
mhic Mhuireadhaigh (Gaelic)
or something like NykMurrye or NycMurre (Scots) would be
One commentor, who is more familiar with Scots and Gaelic names, gave me
permission to quote her more fully, and I will only paraphase slightly for
brevity, full titles of referenced books, and such.
she notes that what
would become nic
appears in Scots records as nyc or nyk, (see, e.g. "Scottish
Names for Women: Seonaid?" (http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/women/seonaid.shtml),
which has Scots examples of
Janat NykCraiwye, Margret NycGleschen, Janat NycGleschen,
Magie NycGleschen, all from 1561). Since a name would be written in either
Scots or Gaelic depending on the context, nyc or nyk would not be appropriate
used with the Gaelic form Moirreach.
Additionally, she comments that Moirreach looks like a modern
form here and that Woulfe's Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall: Irish Names and
Surnames has mac
Muireadhaigh as a header, as the Gaelic byname which gave
rise to spellings like M'Murrey, M'Morrye in late period
England. [Rampart: mac Muireadhaigh itself would not be registrable
with a feminine name, since bynames were literal in period in Gaelic, and
a woman couldn't be the 'son of' implied by mac.] MacLysaght's The
Surnames of Ireland,
under the header Murray also concurs; "apart
from the Scottish Muurays, we have O' Muireadhaigh; mac Giolla
Black's Surnames of Scotland, under the header Murray only discusses
the locative roots, from de
Moravia, but he does say "the name Murray in Galloway
most likely from MacMurray, q.v." Black also gives
the Gaelic of this as Mac Muireadhaigh. Dated forms include M'Mury 1530, M'Murre 1553, McMurrye 1560.
In conclusion, she recommends both inghean mhic Mhuireadhaigh and
something like NykMurrye or NycMurre.
Do note that this name cannot be made completely authentic because there
is no evidence for Niamh as
a name of real people, or in Scotland. It is, however, registrable by the
While there is no evidence that Niamh was actually used in period,
it appears in period sagas, in some cases as the name of a human being.
[Niamh ingen Maola/in, 07/00, A-Meridies]
- Rafi'a al-Zarqa'. New Device. Sable, a paint brush and
an ostrich quill in saltire argent between in chief a crescent and in base
three mullets of eight points all within an orle Or.
Blazoned on the forms as a bordure, this is clearly an orle.
This is being returned for complexity and identifiability issues. Even
with the full-size forms, at any distance greater than arm's length, the
mullets of eight points were so small and blobby that they could not be identified.
Additionally, a true mullet of eight points would have all of the points
of the same length. In fact, all of the charges, excepting the orle, should
be noticibly larger than they are currently. This does not quite fall afoul
of the "slot machine" rule, but it does have a very high number
of different charges (five: brush, quill, crescent, mullets, orle) and tinctures
(for the number of charges. three: sable, argent, Or), which gives a complexity
count of eight. Eight is pushing the line of being too complex.
- Ram's Keep, College of. New Name and New Device. Vert,
a ram's head cabossed within a bordure embattled Or.
These submissions are primarily being returned for the lack of
a petition. Please see the Administrative Handbook (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/admin.html),
particularly section IV.C.5. Evidence of Support, which says:
Submissions involving the branch name or arms of an active
branch must include evidence of support for the action on the part
of a majority of the active members of the branch. In the case of branches
with no ruling noble, this support may be demonstrated by a petition
of a majority of the populace and officers or by a petition of the
seneschal and at least three-quarters of the other local officers.
In the case of branches with ruling nobles, such petitions must also
include a statement of support from the ruling noble. A valid petition
must include a clear description of the item submitted; either the
blazon or emblazon is sufficient for a petition regarding branch arms,
though both are preferable.
When considering a resubmission of the name, please note the following
"We do not register the scribal abbreviation (St.) But
the full form (Saint), and the use of the apostrophe in possessives
is not period." (Severian the Northumbrian of Saint Ninians Isle,
9/94 p. 7)
Regarding the device, SCA groups are required to have a laurel wreath
in their arms, as noted in the Administrative Handbook (see above), section
II.D.2. "Branch Arms - The single piece of armory associated with
the Branch Name of a Society branch which uniquely identifies that branch.
By Society convention, all branch arms must include one or more laurel
wreaths as an important element in the design." When redesigning,
please do keep this in mind (for example, a laurel wreath in base, below
the ram's head, would be sufficient.).
Color Emblazon Sheet
April 2004 Letter of Presentation
May 2004 Letter of Response
May 2004 Letter of Intent
September 2004 LoAR Results
the Rampart home page.