Letters of comment were received from Shayk Da'ud ibn Auda, al-Jamal Herald; Athenais Bryennissa, Black Pillar Pursuivant; Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald; Jeanne Marie Lacroix, Sommelier Pursuivant; Aryanhwy merch Catmael, Herald-at-Large; and Canute.

1. Aethelind of Erbystok.Change of holding name from Æthelind of Hawk's Hollow.

Hawk's Hollow, Canton of Her first name submission, Aethelind of Erbesweald, was returned by Laurel in November of 2001. The submission form notes "Aethelind - Withycombe p.3 - Innes Compilation of 1992." which is exactly how the documentation was cited the first time it was sent in. I cannot find "Aethelind" in my copy of Withycombe, 3rd ed. Nevertheless, Pelican noted in the November 2001 LoAR: "Her armory has been registered under the holding name Æthelind of Hawk's Hollow which uses the form of the given name supported by the documentation." Her byname "Erbesweald", meaning "Herbal Forest" was returned for lack of documentation that "Herbal Forest" is a reasonable place name in Old English. "Erbystok" is documented using an on-line map of Wales 1267. http://www.gwp.enta.net/walesdisplay.htm The creator of the map used period documentation for the names and locations he used on his map. The map itself is not authentic, but is very well documented. I contacted mistress Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvyrn, one of the SCA's foremost experts on Welsh names and history. Here was her reply: "If it were the map alone, it would be a source of unknown reliability -- but if you click the link to the booklet text, which gives more background on the names (including specific dated citations for particular forms), and read the accompanying explanations, then I think it's quite useful." Following that link we find "ERBISTOCK (Clw) Erbystok (1291). Earliest record: Erpestoch (1086). Meaning: probably "Erp’s stoc"; from OE stoc ‘place’." She will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be authentic for "13th Cent. Welsh/English" time period, language and/or culture. She notes "This persona has a Welsh grandfather and Saxon Grandmother."
[Black Pillar] - (Name): "Withycombe doesn't have Aethelind, but does list Æthelind as "an Old English name" (2nd ed., p. 103, s.n. Ethelind). Aethelind may be an acceptable variant spelling, but that's a decision for Pelican."
[Sommelier] - (Name): "Given the comment in the LoI, Æthelind can be considered grandfathered to her. Searle, Onomasticon Anglo-Saxonicum, lists Æthellind c. 800 as a concubine of Charlemagne (p. 42). Withycombe p. 109 (sn Ethelinda) notes "There appears to have been a corresponding Old English name Æthelind"."
[Aryanhwy] - (Name): "The name should be changed to the form <{AE}thelind>; not only is this form grandfathered to her already, but is not an appropriate spelling of <{AE}>. Welsh/Anglo-Saxon combinations are not listed on the weirdness table, but Anglo-Saxon/English combinations are weirdnesses, and Anglo-Saxon/Scots and Anglo-Saxon/Anglicized Irish combinations are not registerable. My gut feeling is that Anglo-Saxon/Welsh combinations are also not registerable, barring evidence for significant contact between the two cultures. Note also that no form of <{AE}thelind> will be appropriate for the 13th century; most Anglo-Saxon names had fallen out of use by then."


ACTION: Name Passed. I'll leave it up to Pelican as to whether to use Æthelind or Aethelind.

2. Christiana de Montford. New Name and Device. Per fess indented azure and vert, a cat couchant guardant and an open scroll argent charged with three musical notes in bend sable.

Hawk's Hollow, Canton of "Christiana" is found in Reaney and Wilson, page 96, under the header Christian dated to 1154. "de Montford", ibid, page 313, under Montford, dated to 1086. She will accept changes, cares most about the sound, the desired gender is female. No request was made for authenticity.
[Sommelier] - (Device): "Standard SCA blazon seems to be and on an open scroll three musical notes in bend sable. Recent precedent, "[ Per fess engrailed azure and vert, in chief a natural dolphin argent ] The engrailed line of division is drawn well with five engrailings of a reasonable depth, and is not obscured by other elements of the armory. The line is identifiable enough to accept even though azure and vert have some of the poorest contrast of any two-color combination. [Helga Iden dohtir, 04/02, R-Caid]", allows a complex line of division between azure and vert. (The cited device was returned for conflict.)"
[Canute] - (Device): "Clear."


ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed as "Per fess indented azure and vert, a cat couchant guardant and on an open scroll three musical notes in bend sable."

3. Eigen of Black Diamond.New Name and Device. Sable, an Amphora and on a chief Or three lozenges sable.

al-Barran, Barony of The documentation on the form is listed as "Eigen - St. Eigen Bishop and confessor, There is a St. Eigen or Eigon's church in Wales near Hay which was built in the 14th C.
Jevon Eigon ap Meuric - Welch Name, 1391, p. 306 of Reaney & Wilson under Merrick.
Eigan - variation of Einion, 5 instances of Eigan listed by Morgan and Morgan, p.91 from the Record of Carnarvon Henry Ellis (ed.) 1252 He notes that he will accept any of these forms but prefers "Eigen" then "Eigan". He will accept changes, cares most about the sound, does not care about the gender of his name, and is interested in having his name be authentic for "any". Black Diamond is a SCA branch group originally registered via Atlantia in January of 1981.
[Black Pillar] - (Device): "Typo: amphora. No conflicts found."
[Canute] - (Device): "Clear."


ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed as "Sable, an amphora and on a chief Or three lozenges sable.

4. Elaisse de Garrigues. Device Resubmission (K). Azure chaussé Or, an oak tree eradicated argent.

Hawk's Hollow, Canton of Her name was registered in June 2002 via the Outlands. Her previous device submission, "Azure chaussé Or semy-de-lys sable, an oak tree eradicated argent.", was returned from kingdom in July 2002 for charging the chaussé portion of the field.
[Black Pillar] - (Device): "This conflicts with Ioseph of Locksley, the Rhymer, Vert, a tree eradicated argent, registered 01/73, with one CD for the field, but nothing for the type of tree, since his device is listed under "tree rounded shape", along with oak trees, in the O&A."
[Sommelier] - (Device): Consider: "[Gules chaussé Or, a seahorse sejant counterchanged] Conflict with ... Or, a pile gules. By long standing precedent, chaussé fields can alternatively be blazoned as having a pile, and both forms must be considered for conflict. Or, on a pile gules, a seahorse sejant counterchanged conflicts with Or, a pile gules, with only one CD for the addition of the tertiary charge. [Samhthann ni Giolla Mhuire, 10/99, R-Calontir]". When considered as a charged pile Elaisse's device conflicts with Alexa of Krasnadar (08/79), Or, on a pile throughout azure, involved about three stalks of wheat, a serpent Or, orbed, armed, and langued gules, with a single CD for changing the tertiaries on the pile. Also conflict with Ioseph of Locksley, the Rhymer (01/73), Vert, a tree eradicated argent with a single CD for changes to the field. Has she considered resubmitting her original design with a pile, which would allow the semy-de-lys? I haven't conflict checked that option but it would at least clear this conflict."
[Canute] - (Device): "Ioseph of Locksley, the Rhymer - January of 1973: Vert, a tree eradicated argent. Single CD for field. Return for conflict."


ACTION: Device Returned for conflict with Ioseph of Locksley, the Rhymer - January of 1973: Vert, a tree eradicated argent.

5. Geoffrey fitz Robert. Name Change from Harold of Baumaris.

al-Barran, Barony of Harold of Baumaris was registered in August of 1991 via Meridies. Geoffrey is found in Bardsley, page 46, under the heading Geoffrey, dated by citation to 1273; Geoffrey Alexander. Robert is found in Withycombe, p. 254, under the heading Robert dated to 1071. "fitz" is a patronymic meaning "son of" derived from the Latin "filius" which was popular with the Normans around the time of the conquest of England in 1066. He will accept changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic for "12th cent. Norman" time period/language and/or culture. If this new name is registered he would like his old name to be released.
[Sommelier] - (Name): "While Geoffrey FitzRobert (apparently the same as Geoffrey FitzRobert de Neville) show up frequently on genealogical sites and in the history of Kells (he established the Augustinian priory c. 1193), he does not appear in general reference works such as the Encyclopedia Britannica and thus is unlikely to be protected."


ACTION: Name Passed.

6. George Woulfryth. Device Resubmission (K). Per bend sinister azure and purpure, on a bend sinister argent three gouttes palewise vert.

Caerthe, Barony of His name is currently in submission on the July 2002 Outlands LoI. His previous device submission, "Azure, on a bend sinister argent three gouttes palewise vert.", was returned from kingdom in July 2002 for conflict with Corwynn of Thornwood (02/75), "Azure, on a bend sinister argent a thorned slip embowed throughout sable". There was but a single CD, for the multiple changes to the tertiary charges.
[Canute] - (Device): "Clear."


ACTION: Device Passed

7. Gráinne ingen Conaill uí hEachaidh. New Name and Device. Argent, a horse rampant contourny gules crined and unguled sable, on a chief azure three trefoils Or.

Hawk's Hollow, Canton of "Gráinne" is found in Index of Names in Irish Annals: Feminine Given Names 1201 - 1600 by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan © 2000-2001 by Kathleen M. O'Brien. http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/1201-1600.shtml "Conaill" is found in 100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland compiled by Heather Rose Jones (ska Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn) copyright c 1998, 2002. "Eachaidh" is found in The Book of Ulster Surnames by Robert Bell, The Blackstaff Press, Belfast Ireland, 1988, page 138-139, under the heading MACCAUGHEY. "Caughey, MacCahey, MacCaughey, MacGahey and MacGaughey all derive from the Gaelic Mac Eachaidh. Eachaidh is an old personal name anglicised as Aghy." The patronymic construction she used was found at Feminine Name Construction in the Annals of Connacht: 1224-1544 by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan © 2000 by Kathleen M. O'Brien. http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsConnacht/Construction.html She will accept changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be authentic for "15th Century Irish" time period.
[Black Pillar] - (Name): "Gráinne is also found in Ó Corrain & Maguire (p. 114, s.n. Gráinne), where it says, "The name retained its popularity in the later middle ages and was borne by the famous Gráinne or Grace O Malley."."
[Sommelier] - (Name): "On the LoI cite the url for Tangwystl's article. The patronymic needs to be lenited – Chonaill; it is already in the genitive case."
[Aryanhwy] - (Name): "This combines pre and post c1200 orthographies in the same name; since the only evidence for comes from post c1200, the patronym should be changed to ."
[al-Jamal] - (Device): "The "slips" on the "trefoils" need to be drawn a _lot_ narrower; they make the charges look like quatrefoils. RfS VII.7.a. requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance.""
[Black Pillar] - (Device): "Normally, the "crined and unguled" would be dropped as artistic detail, but they may be worth blazoning on this device, due to the visual prominence of the horse's mane and tail. It's also worth noting that the trefoils are pierced."
[Canute] - (Device): "Argent, a horse rampant contourny gules crined and unguled sable, on a chief azure three sprigs of three leaves Or. These look like clusters of three leaves, not trefoils. Foils have lobes, these don't. Clear."


ACTION: Name Passed as "Gráinne inghean Chonaill uí hEachaidh." Device Passed as "Argent, a horse rampant contourny gules crined and unguled sable, on a chief azure three trefoils pierced Or." It seems unlikely to me that this will get returned for a redraw. At worst, it might get reblazoned as sprigs of three leaves, as Canute suggested.

8. Hákon Refr. Device Resubmission (K). Gules, a fox salient contourny Or.

Caerthe, Barony of His name is currently in submission on the August 2002 Outlands LoP. His current device submission, "Gules, a fox salient Or.", will be returned from Kingdom in October 2002 for conflict with Lucas d'Avignon - February of 2002 (via ): Gules, a fox salient within an orle of fleurs-de-lys Or. One CD for secondary fleurs, and conflict with Anne de Junius - March of 1989 (via Atenveldt): Gules, a fox sejant to sinister grasping in its teeth the lower end of the bag of a bagpipe Or. Only 1 CD for posture. This submission will also likely conflict with Anne de Junius unless the bagpipe is of significant enough size to be considered a sustained charge.
[al-Jamal] - (Device): "It is very unlikely that the bagpipes in Anne de Junius' device (cited in the ILoP) are the same size as the fox, and similar size is the test for "sustained" (and worth a CD) and "maintained/holding" (which is not)."
[Black Pillar] - (Device): "This likely conflicts with Anne de Junius, mentioned in the LoP. It may be worth emailing Wreath and asking if she or a staff member has time to check the emblazon in the files."
[Sommelier] - (Device): "Assuming the blazon is correct, this is not in conflict with Anne de Junius – there is a CD between sejant and salient (but not between sejant erect and salient). On the other hand, it does conflict with Connor MacTavish (11/92), Lozengy azure and argent, a wolf rampant contourny queue-fourchy Or. There's a CD for changes to the field but nothing between a fox and a wolf and nothing for the number of tails."
[Canute] - (Device): "Anne de Junius - March of 1989 (via Atenveldt): Gules, a fox sejant to sinister grasping in its teeth the lower end of the bag of a bagpipe Or. CD posture, possible CD for bagpipe (maintained/sustained) Connor MacTavish - November of 1992 (via the Middle): Lozengy azure and argent, a wolf rampant contourny queue-fourchy Or. Single CD for field, conflict. Return for conflict."


ACTION: Device Returned for conflict with Anne de Junius - March of 1989 (via Atenveldt): Gules, a fox sejant to sinister grasping in its teeth the lower end of the bag of a bagpipe Or. I have a picture of this device in my clip-art cards. The bagpipe is a maintained object. And for conflict with Connor MacTavish - November of 1992 (via the Middle): Lozengy azure and argent, a wolf rampant contourny queue-fourchy Or.

9. Isabella di Edera. New Name and Device. Gyronny of ten argent and sable, an ivy leaf inverted proper.

Unser Hafen, Barony of "Isabella" is found in Feminine Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427 by Arval Benicoeur © 1998 by Josh Mittleman http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/ in the section labeled "These names occur fewer than 5 times:" "di" is the Italian particle meaning "of/from" in either the context of a patronymic or locative byname. "Edera" is the Italian word for Ivy. The documentation provided for these last two items is rather sketchy. The website http://www.june29.com/IDP/IDPsearch.html is referred to on a printout which includes the word edera, but no indication was given of what search was used to yield these results. She will not accept major changes, cares most about the meaning/language/culture, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be authentic for "Italy" language and/or culture.
[al-Jamal] - (Name): "Unless someone can find documentation that "Edera" ("ivy") is a placename or a family name, I think she's in trouble so far as registration is concerned. The website cited is no help; it comes up with "no results" either attempting to translate "ivy" into Italian or "edera" into English."
[Black Pillar] - (Name): "De Felice's dizionario dei cognomi italiani doesn't show anything even remotely close to the proposed surname."
[Green Anchor] -) (Name): "I don’t find “Edera” in De Felice’s surname book, and wonder if “of Ivy” is even a reasonable Italian epithet. It wouldn’t be in English. The Times Atlas doesn’t show a place called “Edera” either."
[Sommelier] - (Name): "On-line translation at http://www.yourdictionary.com/ agrees that edera means ivy, but is "of the ivy" a valid locative? The names I find in Fucila (Out Italian Surnames) don't appear to be locatives. Examples: lots of flower surnames on pp. 76-78 (Giglio for lily; Cortelazzo for gladiola; Gelsomino for jasmine; Cristani for chrysanthemum; etc.); names from the garden on pp. 79-82 (Spinaci for spinach; Citroli for cucumber; Maranzano for eggplant; Cavolo for cabbage; etc.); and Visco, Biscari, and Viscari for mistletoe (see Miscellaneous Plants, p. 97). Given the number of plants used in Italian surnames, Isabella Edera may be registerable even if not documentable."
[Aryanhwy] - (Name): "di 'of' is used in patronymic bynames; for locatives, the appropriate preposition is da 'of'. From the precedents of Jaelle: "Benevento is a place name, and therefore in Italian takes "da" the standard Italian locative preposition, not "de". (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR April 1997, p. 3)""
[al-Jamal] - (Device): "The "ivy leaf" is unidentifiable as such. Surprisingly, it is even _less_ identifiable in the colored version, because of the Or "arrow thingy throughout" on it. RfS VII.7.a. requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance."
[Black Pillar] - (Device): "The ivy leaf is unrecognizable as drawn, especially the overly prominent veining. This should be returned for a redraw."
[Green Anchor] -) (Device): "The leaf is so stylized that I wouldn’t have recognized it without the blazon."
[Sommelier] - (Device): "Even after reading the blazon I couldn't identify the primary charge as a leaf, let alone an ivy leaf."
[Canute] - (Device): "I couldn't recognize the emblazon. Clear if properly drawn. Return for violating RfS VII.7.a."


ACTION: Name Passed as "Isabella Edera" due to commentary by Sommelier. Device Pended for a redraw of the ivy leaf. As soon as I get redrawn forms I will put it on the next available LoI.

10. Katherine Niemann. New Name and Device. Per chevron vert and sable, two mullets of four points and an open book Or.

Unser Hafen, Barony of "Katherine" is found in 15th-Century German Women's Names by Brian Scott (Talan Gwynek) http://www.s-gabriel.org/docs/german15f.html. "Niemann" is found in Brechenmacher, page 320, s.n. Niemand(s). She will accept changes, cares most about the sound, the desired gender is female. No request was made for authenticity.
[Canute] - (Device): "Clear."


ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed

11. Meriel of Tay. New Device. Argent, a lozenge gules between four roundels vert, a bordure gules.

Unser Hafen, Barony of Her name was registered in September of 1990 via Calontir.
[al-Jamal] - (Device): "We may wish to specify that the roundels are *two and two*, as I do not believe there is a default arrangement. (Though this one does make the most sense. But what do _I_ know?)"
[Green Anchor] - (Device): "I had lost track of Meriel since she was in Three Rivers. If anyone who knows her reads this, please give her my regards."
[Canute] - (Device): "Argent, a lozenge gules between four roundels vert within a bordure gules The bordure is a little thin. Clear."


ACTION: Device Passed as "Argent, a lozenge gules between four roundels two and two vert within a bordure gules."

12. Roderick Conall MacLeod. New Badge. Barry wavy vert and Or.

Caerthe, Barony of His name was registered in November of 1995 via the Outlands.
[Sommelier] - (Badge): "Conflict with Daimhín Sinna (03/02), Barry wavy vert and argent ermined vert. There is a CD for changing the tincture of half the filed but since that share a tincture they are not clear by X4.a.(ii)."
[Aryanhwy] - (Badge): "This conflicts with Daimhín Sinna, reg (03/02 via AEthelmearc), "Barry wavy vert and argent ermined vert." There is one CD for changing half the field tincture."
[Canute] - (Badge): "Daimhín Sinna - March of 2002 (via AEthelmearc): Barry wavy vert and argent ermined vert. Single CD for tincture, conflict. Drummond, Earl of Perth -December of 1994 (via Laurel): Or, three bars wavy gules. Single CD for tincture, conflict. Return for multiple conflicts."


ACTION: Badge Returned for conflict with Daimhín Sinna, reg (03/02 via AEthelmearc), "Barry wavy vert and argent ermined vert."

13. Vladimir Musat. New Name and Device. Per chevron vert and sable, two Catherine wheels argent and a badger salient Or.

Unser Hafen, Barony of "Vladimir" is documented using Paul Wickenden of Thanet's Dictionary of Period Russian Names 3rd ed. http://www.sca.org/heraldry/paul/ No photocopies of documentation were included for "Musat", only the following citation on the name form: "Musat, adj. p.329, Constaninesca, Onomastic Romín (reconstructed title)" There is a "Mushat" listed in Paul's dictionary. He will not accept major changes, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic for "Romania".
[al-Jamal] - (Name): "Unfortunately for the submitter, the Administrative Handbook requires photocopies of _all_ documentation except for those sources listed in Appendix H ("Name Books That Do Not Require Photocopies to Laurel"). Additionally, we don't have a clue from the citation whether Musat is a name or even a noun; "adj." usually means a word is an adjective. We are given nothing to give us a clue as to whether the word is appropriately used in a name."
[Black Pillar] - (Name): "Musat as documented in the LoP seems to be a title, not a name. Changing the surname to Mushat as mentioned in the LoP would make this a fine Russian name."
[Sommelier] - (Name): "The on-line edition of the Wickenden is the 2nd edition, not the 3rd edition. I don't know about Romanian but Muscat is a header spelling in R&W 3rd (p. 317) with Celestria de Musecot dated to 1206 and Richard de Musecot' dated to 1275. Russian/English is a weirdness (Ladislaus de Brody, 07/00) but registerable."
[Aryanhwy] - (Name): "My meager source for Romanian names, "Names from the Royal Lines of Moldavia and Wallachia" (http://www.sit.wisc.edu/sfriedmann/names/romanian.htm), doesn't have Vladimir, but Vlad is found 7 times between 1394 and 1525, and Vladislav three times between 1364 and 1524. There's a note that one of the Vladislavs was found once as Vlaicu; this looks like a diminutive form to me. Musat is not in the article, but Musatei is the one lone feminine name listed, from c1374-1392; she was known in Latin as Margareta."
[Green Anchor] - (Device): "The badger seems to be more statant erect than salient. Here’s another good example of why it’s better to put creatures in their default postures: this fellow, though well-enough drawn, is hard to distinguish from a bear."
[Canute] - (Device): "Clear."


ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed. I will leave it to Pelican to use Mushat or find a Romanian version of the name.