Outlands LoI dated 2010-07-31

31 July 2010

From the Office of Rampart Herald

Baron Randal Carrick (Randall Jackson)

rampart@outlandsheralds.org



Unto the Sovereigns and members of the College of Arms of the Society, does Randal Carrick, Rampart Herald send his greetings. What follows is the July Letter of Intent for the Kingdom of the Outlands. I would like to thank the following heralds for providing commentary for this letter: Lady Rohese de Dinan, Lord Thomas of Shrewsbury, Gawain of Miskbridge, Andrew von Otelingen, Jethro Stille, Furukusu Masahide, Francesca di Pavia, Magdalena Lucia Ramberti, Marie de Blois, Conrad von Zollern, Eric Morrison, and Caitlin de Irlande. 



It is my intent to register this July the following items from the Outlands College of Heralds:

1: Branwen ferch Gruffudd Rhodri - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2005, via the Outlands.

Per chevron enhanced argent and gules, two lilies sable and a vol argent

 

Submitter's previous device submission, Gules, on a pale between two vols argent, three chaplets of four arum lilies sable, was returned by Laurel on the July 2005 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2005/07/05-07lar.html) , for the following reasons:

 

"This is returned for redraw as the chaplets of lilies are not identifiable. They aren't true chaplets, being more like "four lilies conjoined in annulo", which distorts them to the point that we couldn't identify them. Charges must be identifiable, per RfS VII.7.a.

 

On resubmission, the submitter is advised to draw more standard vols. That is, the vols should not be stretched so that they are nearly two and half times tall as they are wide. We applaud the submitter's effort to make the charges fill the available space, but one can have too much of a good thing."

 

 

Submitter's next device, Sable, a vol argent and a bordure argent semy of arum lilies gules, was resubmitted and returned on the April 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/04/09-04lar.html) for the following reasons:

 

 

"This is returned for lack of identifiably. The arum lilies on the bordure are not recognizable. Various commenters thought they were either screws or other items."

 

The current device is a complete redesign


2: Caerthe, Barony of - Resub Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 1973, via Laurel.

Order of the Cordon of Caerthe

 

The previous submission of [Order of the Cordon of Honor] was returned on the July 2009 LoAR: http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/07/09-07lar.html, stating:

 

"Caerthe, Barony of. Order name Order of the Cordon of Honor. This order name is presumptuous of the Napoleonic Legion d'honneur, which is still given out today. Siren explains: <Cordon> clearly means "A ribbon, usually worn scarfwise, as part of the insignia of a knightly order." "grand cordon: that distinguishing the highest class or grade of such an order." This is from the documentation that the submitters themselves give; it's the OED definition 6. So, basically this order name means "Ribbon (or order insignia) of Honor" where "Legion of Honor" is a mundane knightly order that still exists. So, I don't think we can just dismiss the possible presumption. We would drop the modifier of Honor in order to register the name, since Cordon, by itself, does not presume upon the Legion d'honneur or any other knightly order, but the submitters do not allow major changes."

 

This resubmission is following Laurel's suggestion.

[Cordon]: OED lists Cordon, n 5. a. "An ornamental cord or braid forming a part of costume." With the spelling [cordon] dated to 1599. OED lists Cordon, n 6. "A ribbon, usually worn scarfwise, as part of the insignia of a knightly order." "grand cordon: that distinguishing the highest class or grade of such an order. blue cordon (F. cordon bleu): the sky-blue ribbon worn by the Knights-grand-cross of the French order of the Holy Ghost, the highest order of chivalry under the Bourbon kings; hence extended to other first-class distinctions: cf. BLUE RIBBON. These and similar names are also applied to the wearers of the insignia, and by extension to other persons of distinction; cordon bleu, jocularly or familiarly, a first-class cook; also attrib. and quasi-adj."

OED indicates the term in English is of French and Italian origins, with definition 6 being clearly a French loan term with the English equivalent being a Ribbon.

"Project Ordensnamen" by Meradudd Cethin (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/) lists the order name Le Cordon Bleu as an example order. Les Cordon Bleus was a common name for the members of the Order of the Holy Spirit formed in 1578 by Henri III of France. This name derived from the Blue Cordon/Ribbon used to wear the Cross symbol of the order (Wikipedia: Order of the Holy Spirit -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Holy_Spirit).

 

Construction: This order name follows the order name pattern laid out by Laurel on the August 2005 LoAR, and further discussed in "Registering an Order Name in the SCA" by Ursula Georges (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/registerorder.html), of the form "Orders named for heraldic charges or for items that, while not found in period as heraldic charges, may be used as heraldic charges."

This order name also follows the frequently used order name pattern of [thing + place] laid out in "Project Ordensnamen" (Op. Cit.).

This order name is based upon the [regalia] pattern from "Medieval Secular Order Names" by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith) (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new/).

 

Cordon as a heraldic charge: "A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry" by James Parker cites a [Cordon] as being used in association with heraldry, specifically as a portion of the achievement for widows. This use of a cordon in heraldry is attributed to Anne of Bretagne (1477-1514) the widow of Charles VIII of France (1470 - 1498), who bestowed a cordon of lace on several ladies, instead of a military belt or collar. She also began surrounding her own escutcheon of arm with a similar cordon.

While this does not indicate that a Cordon was used as a charge within period, it does indicate that it was used in association with heraldry, would have been familiar to period heralds, and had a defined form of a loop of cord with several knots on its length. It seems reasonable to this herald that this can in fact be used as a heraldic charge.


3: Caerthe, Barony of - Resub Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 1973, via Laurel.

Order of Inspiration

 

The previous submission of [Order of the Dreamer's Cup] was returned on the June 2009 LoAR http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/06/09-06lar.html, stating:

 

"This was an appeal of a Laurel return from February 1995. The original return stated:

 

 

The order name does not appear to follow any period exemplars that any of the commenters could find. [It was suggested that the "Order of the Cup" would be far more appropriate.] [LoAR 02/1995, Outlands-R]

 

The appeal argued that the order name followed the meta-pattern of "orders name for objects of religious veneration", listed on the August 2005 Cover Letter, with the Holy Grail being referenced as such an object.

However, all that the appeal demonstrated was that Laurel's suggestion in the previous return, Order of the Cup, is a plausible period order name. It does not provide any justification for the addition of the modifier Dreamer's or any similarly abstract modifier. None of the commenters were able to provide any evidence supporting Dreamer's Cup as a plausible period order name, so we must return this.

In resubmitting, the group should be aware that the use of the apostrophe to indicate the possessive is not registerable:

 

Submitted as Order of the Lion's Paw of Kenmare, we have removed the apostrophe; there is no evidence that the apostrophe was used in period. [Northkeep, Barony of, 05/04, A-Ansteorra]

 

This resubmission is a complete reworking.

[Inspiration]: OED lists [Inspriation] under definition 3 as "The action of inspiring; the fact or condition of being inspired (in sense 4 or 5 of INSPIRE v.); a breathing or infusion into the mind or soul." Dated spellings include [inspyracion] (1494), [inspiracyons] (1526), [inspiracion] (1526), [inspiration] (1611). If the 1611 spelling is considered too far outside of period for use as an order name term, the group would prefer the 1494 spelling [inspyracion].

This order name follows the order name pattern laid out by Laurel on the August 2005 LoAR, and further discussed in "Registering an Order Name in the SCA" by Ursula Georges (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/registerorder.html), of the form "Orders named for virtues."

This order name is based upon the [abstract quality] pattern from "Medieval Secular Order Names" by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith) (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new/), which had 3 instances covering 2% of the sampled order names. Examples include [Hope].

Upon registration, this order name should be associated with the badge Per bend Or and vert, an aspen leaf and a goblet counter-changed.


4: Ceara MacElea - New Name

Client requests authenticity for Irish.
Sound (undefined) most important.

[Ceara] - Irish Names, Donnechadn O'Corrain/Fidelma Maguire, p.50. This source provides no dates, but O'C&M say that "Ceara" is a post-1200 form of the pre-1200 feminine name. Further, in the commentary on OSCAR (Nov 2006, Aethelmearc) for Ceara Cháomhanach, Metron Ariston says:

 

"In registering the name of Cera filia Drusti in September, 2002, the Laurel staff specifically stated that the form Ceara was early modern Irish and so compatible with period usage." -- http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=100

 

[MacElea] - Originally submitted as [MacAlee] and documented from MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland, regarded as a source to be avoided because all of the spellings contained therein are modern forms. This name was changed at Kingdom to meet submitter's request for authenticity and to try and preserve the sound of the name. This spelling is a documented variant of the original surname from MacLysaght found in "16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe", by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/Woulfe/SortedByGaelicSpelling_M1.shtml.


5: Ronan MacKennagh - New Name & New Device

Azure a griffin rampant to sinister, within an orle of thirteen mullets of eight points argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for Irish.
Sound (Undefined) most important.

[Ronan] - Irish Names, Donnechadn O'Corrain/Fidelma Maguire, P.157, header [Ronan] dates the name to 664 and 763

[MacKennagh] - The Surnames of Ireland,MacLysaght, p.157, header [MacKennagh] says it comes from the Gaelic "Mac Cionaoith". Given that this is a source to be avoided, Woulfe gives the following Anglicized Irish forms of Mac Cionaodha: M'Kinna, M'Kenay, and M'Kena. -- "16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe", by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada --http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/Woulfe/SortedByGaelicSpelling_M1.shtml

Being unsure of which spelling best meets submitter's desire to maintain the sound of the name, we declined to change the spelling of the name at Kingdom, and will let Laurel make that determination

 


Respectfully submitted,



Baron Randal Carrick, Rampart Herald

Kingdom of the Outlands

rampart@outlandsheralds.org