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Outlands College of Heralds

From the office of the Rampart Herald
Lady Alia Marie de Blois
rampart@outlandsheralds.org

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Unless otherwise specified, all changes are allowed by the submitter.

The following items were sent on to Laurel for a final determination:

  1. Angharad verch Iorwerth. New Primary Name and New Device. Per chevron enhanced sable and argent, a griffin segreant sable and in chief three roses in fess Or.
    All parts of this name are documented from Tangwystl verch Morgant Glasvryn's "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/welsh13.html), which lists Angharad as a feminine name and Iorwerth as a masculine name. verch indicates that Angharad is a daughter of Iorwerth.
    This per chevron is remarkably high and shallow, almost to the point of being a chief triangularly inverted or something weird like that, especially since the submitted blazon was Per chevron sable and argent, a griffin segreant sable and in chief three roses Or.
  2. Arland the Bastard. New Primary Name and New Device. Quarterly gules and azure, a sword proper between three two-horned anvils Or.
  3. Cameron de Blakstan. New Primary Name. Cameron de Blakstan.
    Listed on the LoP as his given name, Cameron is actually his middle name. Laurel has occasionally declined to register middle names which are typically surnames as SCA given names, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.
  4. Conall Óg mac Dabhídh. New Primary Name.
    Sounds like a spot on name.
  5. Edmund Newcastle. New Device. Per pale gules and argent, a chevron per pale Or and purpure between three roundels, each charged with a maltese cross throughout counterchanged argent and gules.
  6. Elijah ben Ezra. New Change of Registered Name from Aedhan Brecc.
    "Behind the Name", like many other such sites on the Web, is primarily a "what to name your baby" site and its scholarship is highly questionable in regards to dating and meaning. By itself, this is insufficient as documentation, but it can provide a place to start. However, no documentation for Eliayahu as a period spelling was found, so it was changed to the documented form Elijah, as found in "Jewish Naming Practices in Angevin England" by Eleazar ha-Levi (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/jewish.html), which lists both Elijah and Ezra.
  7. Guillaume Jean-Pierre de Mortain. New Primary Name. Guillaume Jean-Pierre de Mortaine.
    Documentation supports 'de Mortain' not 'de Mortaine', and it has been changed to match the documentation
  8. Gwentliana filia Iohannes. New Device. Sable a bend sinister gules fimbriated between a natural dolphin naiant bendwise sinister and a bear pawprint Or charged on the pad with a cat pawprint gules.
  9. Halla in heppna Kn{o,}rsdóttir. Resubmission - Kingdom Device. Argent, a serpent nowed purpure.
  10. Halla in heppna Kn{o,}rsdóttir. New Badge. (Fieldless) a serpent nowed purpure.
  11. Iohannes Kynith. New Device. Sable, a bend gules fimbriated between a sun and three wolves' teeth issuant from dexter base Or.
  12. Juste de Beauharnais. New Primary Name.
  13. Magnus Lawhammer. New Primary Name and New Device. Per bend sinister argent and vert a cross formy and a wolf's head erased counterchanged..
    Magnus is also found in Geirr Bassi's The Old Norse Name on page 13. I found some more abstract (ish), compound bynames in The Old Norse Name, including inn draumspaki 'dream-reader', hrafnasveltir 'raven-starver, soward, battle-avoider' (hrafna- meaning 'raven'), lagabœtir 'law-amender', and vegghamarr 'wedge-hammer, mallet'. I included these in the Letter of Intent as further documentation.
  14. Marko Evanovich Panfilov. Resubmission - Laurel Device. Vert, an owl contourny Or within an orle argent.
  15. Raisa Zaplatskaya. New Primary Name.
    I'm not 100% convinced that this is a reasonable construction, but I'm willing to give the submittor the benefit of the doubt and put it before the rest of the College.
  16. Simon Montgumery. New Badge. Gules, a compass rose and in base the capital letter 'S' argent.
  17. Stephen North. Resubmission - Kingdom Device. Sable, within a triangle voided Or three annulets interlaced one and two, a bordure argent.
  18. Furukusu Tatsujirou Masahide. New Change of Registered Name.
    I am not a Japanese name expert, in any way whatsoever, but this looks well formed.
  19. Þorgautr Sveinnsson inn upplenzki. New Primary Name.
    Submitted as inn uppplenski, the form actually found in Geirr Bassi is actually inn upplenzki and the byname was changed to match that.

The following items are returned for further work:

  1. Amalia vonMueller. New Primary Name and New Device. Argent, two violets in bend sinister, a bordure gyronny sable and vert.
    No documentation was provided for Mueller. The closest I could find for von Mueller is Müller which is an occupational byname meaning Miller (as found in Bahlow's German Names (Edda Gentry translation) on page 338 as a header spelling, with a number of other spellings listed, but not Mueller. No commenters, nor myself, were able to find it as a place name. Occupational bynames in period do not use von, which means 'of'. However, dropping the von is probably a major change, which the submitter does not allow.
    Also, Amalia is not found in Withycombe, only the spellings Amelia, Amalie (German), and Amélie (French), and the only ones which actually are dated is Amilia, which is dated to 1205, and Amalburga, a 8th C Burgundian saint. Since Withycombe contains both period and post-period names, it's important to check for dates. However, Amelie is found as a german name, dated to 1349, in "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" by Talan Gwynek (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/bahlow/bahlowFem.html) and this would be sufficient documentation of the Amelie spelling. Changing the language from English to German would also be a major change, which the submitter does not allow.
    The tinctures of the bordure lack adequate contrast for an element divided into more than four parts, per RfS VIII.2.b.iv. which says " Elements evenly divided into multiple parts of two different tinctures must have good contrast between their parts." Thus this bordure gyronny would be acceptable as either sable and Or or Or and vert, but not involving argent, since that would have no contrast with the field.
  2. Bjorn inn gauzki. New Device. Sable, in bend a compass star and a drakkar prow Or.
    This is being returned for conflict with Luxandra of Altumbrea, Sable, semée of suns in splendour Or, based on the following precedent:
    Dyan du Lac des Calandres. Badge. Gules, in fess a tassel Or between a decrescent and an increscent argent.
    Conflict with a badge of Conrad von Regensburg, Gules semy of decrescents argent. In Conrad's arms, there is a single group of primary charges consisting of (six or more) evenly strewn argent decrescents. In Dyan's arms, there is a single group of primary charges consisting of one argent decrescent, an Or tassel, and an argent increscent. The LoAR of December 2003 gave a lengthy analysis of the way to count difference in a similar situation, where the charge group changed from a registered group of charges on the field consisting of six lions Or, to an in-submission charge group consisting of a lion and a tower Or. That analysis summarized the change as follows:
    It should be recalled that the SCA protects REGISTERED armory. Because of this, the SCA considers changes to have been made from the registered armory to the armory currently under submission, and has interpreted the Rules for Submission in the manner that gives the greatest protection to the registered armory, and allows the fewest possible differences for a change to armory. This implies a certain lack of symmetry to the ruling, because the interpretation of a change from "registered" to "considered" does not necessarily match the change from "considered" to "registered"...
    In [this] case, the submitter is changing one of the lions into a castle, which leaves us with a charge group consisting of five lions and one castle. This change is to less than half of the charges in that group, so there is no CD under RfS X.4.e.
    After the change of the type (a lion into a castle), we apply the change to the number by removing all but one of the lions and the castle. Of six charges, we remove four of the lions, leaving a total of two charges in the group, which is a change from six to two. RfS X.4.f notes that two and six are signficantly different, and therefore, entitled to a CD.
    In this case, we have changed the charge group on the field from [semy of] decrescents argent to a decrescent argent, an increscent argent, and a tassel Or. The strewn ("semy") charges are considered to be equivalent to any charge group with six or more charges for purposes of the rule for difference in the number of charges on the field (RfS X.4.f).
    Thus, when changing Conrad's badge to Dyan's, we are changing one of the (six or more) argent decrescents into an argent increscent, and one of the (six or more) argent decrescents into an Or tassel, and leaving (four or more) of the argent decrescents as argent decrescents. The change in type of two of six (or more) charges (the single tassel and the single increscent) is a change to less than half of the charges in the group, so there is no CD under RfS X.4.e. The change in tincture to one in six (or more) charges (the tassel) is also a change to less than half the charges in the group, so there is no CD under RfS X.4.d.
    After the changes to type and tincture (six or more decrescents argent into four or more decrescents argent, one increscent argent, and one tassel Or), we then remove (three or more) of the decrescents, leaving a total of three charges, which is a change from six (or more) charges to three charges. RfS X.4.f notes that three and six are significantly different, and therefore entitled to a CD.
    As a result, there is only one CD between these two pieces of armory, and they are therefore in conflict.
    LoAR 03/04 R - ANSTEORRA
    Thus, in this case, first Bjorn's changed one of the semy of suns to a drakkar prow, and then dropped all but one sun (and suns conflict with mullets of eight points and compass stars and estoilles). I don't agree with this logic, since Bjorn could just as easily cut out all but two suns and then change one to a drakkar prow. I would not be completely surprised to see it overturned in the new Laurel tenure. As such, I would be willing to send it up to Laurel as a test case, with the express written permission of the submitter, but cannot guarantee that such a test case would pass.
    For a resubmission, I might suggest making one charge or the other into a secondary charge, such as Sable, a drakkar prow and in chief three mullets of eight points Or, which seems to be clear at this time.
  3. Donnchadh mac Céadaigh. New Badge. Argent, on a mount purpure a bow drawn, arrow nocked point to sinister Or.
    This is far too high on the field to be a mount. Being rough and rugged, it should be a 'mountain', but is even too high for that. Beyond being rough, this is also too high to be a per chevron division, but if it were, it would conflict with Cariadoc of the Bow's badge (Fieldless) A reflex bow reversed strung with a decrescent and armed of an arrow fesswise.
  4. Elaine Bearnais. New Device. Per saltire azure and argent, four ermine spots in cross tops to center counterchanged.
    This is visually equivalent to Per saltire azure and argent, a cross of ermine spots counterchanged (although such a cross usually has the ermine spots conjoined, the counterchanging in this device makes it visually confusing at that center point, enhancing the visual equivalency), leading to a conflict with Brigit Gilbertstoune, Per saltire azure and argent, a cross patonce counterchanged. There is only 1 CD for the change to the type of cross, by the following two precedents:
    [a cross fleury vs. a cross of four ermine spots] There is a CD ... for changing the type of cross. RfS X.4.e states "Types of charges considered to be separate in period, for example a lion and an heraldic tyger, will be considered different." Both crosses fleury and crosses of ermine spots were considered to be separate in period and were drawn so that they could be visually distinguished from each other. [Geffroi de Mosterol, 12/02, A-Ealdormere]
    A cross patonce and a cross of Santiago are both considered artistic variants of a cross flory; therefore, there is no CD for a cross patonce versus a cross of Santiago. [Caitlin Davies, 03/01, R-East]
    While it could be worthwhile to ask Laurel for a definitive ruling on the difference between a cross of ermine spots and a cross patonce, that likely will still only give one CD versus Brigit's device, and still conflict.
  5. Magnus Lawhammer. New Device. Per bend sinister argent and vert, a cross formy and a wolf's head erased counterchanged.
    This device is being returned for conflict with Tamlin Somerled, Per bend sinister argent and vert, two Celtic crosses counterchanged. There is only one CD by RfS X.4.e. Type Changes, for changing half of the primary charge group from a cross to a wolf's head. There has been no direct ruling on whether crosses formy are different enough from Celtic crosses to qualify for X.2 ("substantial difference"), which would make these clear, but Laurel has previously ruled that a Latin cross formy is only 1 CD (qualifying for X.4.e.) from a Celtic cross, and I cannot imagine that changing from a latinate cross formy to an equal-armed latinate cross would increase the difference.
    As a note for resubmitting, please consider this precedent from the recent tenure of Francois Laurel:
    ...Therefore, for purposes of recreating period armorial style for erasing, the erasing should (1) have between three and eight jags; (2) have jags that are approximately one-sixth to one-third the total height of the charge being erased; and (3) have jags that are not straight but rather are wavy or curved. The predominance of the three-jag erasing is such that it can be recommended throughout our period and across Europe....[11/01, CL]
    This depiction of "erased" is none of these and might be cause for return on its own.
  6. Furukusu Tatsujirou Masahide. New Change of Registered Device. Sable, a dragon's scale within a hexagon voided and fracted per gyrrony of six argent.
    This is being returned for using a non-period charge. Although they have been registered by, and are still registrable to the Barony of Dragonsspine, this is because the charge is grandfathered to them, as noted in the June 1994 LoAR acceptance of the badge for The Order of the Guardians of the Golden Flame, in which Laurel said. "Dragon's scales are grandfathered to the Barony." If Laurel needs to specificially indicate that it is grandfathered to them, the charge is not registrable to others, unless also grandfathered to them.
    As a note for resubmission, the fracting of the hexagon is somewhat odd, but commentary suggested and I would concur with the blazon of "a hexagon voided and fracted on each side".

The following items are pended:

  1. Máirghréad inghean uí Fearghail. New Primary Name.
    This is pended for nonpayment of funds. It is otherwise a perfectly acceptable name and should be sent to Laurel when the fees are paid.

 

Line Emblazon Sheet
Color Emblazon Sheet
August 2004 Letter of Presentation
September 2004 Letter of Response
September 2004 Letter of Intent
January 2005 LoAR Results
Return to the Rampart home page.