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Outlands College of Heralds

From the office of the Rampart Herald Lady Alia Marie de Blois rampart@outlandsheralds.org

UNTO the members of the College of Heralds of the Kingdom of the Outlands, and all others who generously give of their time and talents in commentary on this Letter of Presentation, upon this 10th day of December, A.S. XXXVIII (2003 CE), does Lady Alia Marie de Blois, Rampart Herald, send greetings and those commendations which are appropriately due.

Anyone who wants to may send me a letter of comment regarding this Letter of Presentation. I prefer them via email.
Please send commentary to: alia 'at' swcp.com or the address above.
Please have your commentary on this letter to me by mid February - due to Estrella War, the Rampart decision meeting is scheduled for the third Thursday of February.

For those newer heralds who are interested in learning to do commentary, I've put in a few footnotes to indicate directions to take with research and commentary. Mostly, these are the types of questions that I'll have to answer when I make decisions. Just present your research in a clear way, including citations (URLs, book titles/dates/authors/pages, quotes, rules, prior Laurel precedent), so that I know what you're talking about. For conflict checking, it really helps to cite which rules apply, or if there are any particular precedents.

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Color Emblazon Sheet
January 2004 Letter of Presentation
February 2004 Letterof Response
February 2004 Letterof Intent
June 2004 LoAR Results
Return to the Rampart home page.

On behalf of Mistress Tatiana Pavlovna Sokolova, White Stag Principal Herald, I present the following items for your consideration:

(Unless otherwise noted, all submittors will accept all changes, have no authenticity requests, and wish a name with the "common sense" gender, based on the submitted name.)

  1. Aileann ingen Fhiodhbhuidhe. (Scola Metallorum) New Name.
    Aileann is from Irish Names from O'Corrain and MacGuire under the heading Aileann on page 19. This is both the early and the late form. There are two citations: the mother of a 10th C northern king, and the mother of Tigernan, king of Breifne (no hard dates). Fhiodhbhuide is from The Surnames of Ireland by MacLysaght under the heading MacEvoy on page 101. MacFhiodhbhuidhe (probably from hiodhbhadhach, woodsman) is listed as one of the 'Seven Septs of Leix'. [1]
    She cares most about the sound.
  2. Catherine de Northewoode. (Caerthe) New Name and New Device. Sable, on a pile inverted ployé between two crosses of ermine spots bottoms to center Or a cross of ermine spots bottoms to center azure.
    Catherine is found in "Feminine Given Names in 'A Dictionary of English Surnames'" by Talan Gwynek under the heading Katherine (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Katharine) with this spelling dated to 1591. [2] de Northwoode is found in "Surname Index of English Names from Pre-1600 Brass Inscriptions" by Julian Goodwyn (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/lastnameCD.html) with this spelling dated to 1335.
    She cares most about the sound.
  3. Cecelia Corr Mhaire. (Hawk's Hollow) Resubmitted Badge. (Fieldless) On an amphora vert, a bowen knot crosswise argent.
    Her name was registered in April 1994. Her first pair of badge submissions was returned in March 2003 by Rampart, one for conflict and one for contrast issues (on a skinny charge divided per saltire, azure and vert are hard to distinguish). Her second pair of badge submissions was returned in September 2003 by Rampart for documentation issues (involving lucets - if curious go look at the Rampart LoR). This is a definite reworking. [3]
    (NB: if this goes through, she's still got another free badge resubmission.)
  4. Elaisse de Garrigues. (Hawk's Hollow) Resubmitted Device. Gules, on a chevron sable fimbriated five fleurs-de-lys palewise Or.
    Her name was registered in July 2002. Her first device submission was returned in July 2002 by Rampart for charging the chaussé portion of a field (it was semy-de-lys). Her second device submission was returned in November 2002 by Rampart for conflict. Her third device submission was returned in July 2003 by Rampart for conflict. This is a complete reworking of the device. [4]
  5. Fína MacKenna. (Hawk's Hollow) New Name.
    Fína is documented using Academy of St. Gabriel Report 1764 (dated 6 Jun 1999 http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1764+0), which in regards to the name Fiona. A relevant excerpt says "There is record of an abbess in Ireland named Fína who died in 805. This name would also be appropriate for the later part of your period [between 500 and 800]." MacKenna is found in MacLysaght (I'm guessing The Surnames of Ireland) on page 175 of the 3rd edition under the heading MacKenna, which says "MacKenna, Kennagh Mac Cionaoith. A branch of the southern Uí Néill, mainly located in Co. Monaghan where they were lords of Truagh." [5]
    She cares most about the sound.
  6. Hawk's Hollow, Canton of. (Hawk's Hollow) Resubmitted Badge. Gules, on a pile throughout engrailed Or a hawk stooping, wings addorsed, sable.
    This group name was registered in November 1991. The last badge submission in their file is from February 1996, returned at Kingdom (possibly White Stag at that time), no reason noted.
  7. Mary Tynker. (Drygestan) New Name and New Device. Or, a triskelion arrondy, within each arm a roundel, a bordure gules.
    Mary is found in "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames" by Talan Gwynek (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyHZ.html) under the header Mary, dated to 1272-1307 and 1480. Tynker is found in "An Index to the 1332 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Lincolnshire, England" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (at: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/LincLSR/ ) in the section of Full Names sorted by byname under "T", which lists "Thomas Tynker". Tinker is also a header form in Reaney and Wilson's Dictionary of English Surnames, with spellings dated to the 1240's. [6]
  8. Meadhbh inghean Imchada uí Flaithbertaig. (Caerthe) New Name and New Device. Quarterly vert and argent, in bend sinister a cat sejant and a cat sejant contourny purpure.
    Meadhbh is found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan under the heading Meadhbh (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Meadhbh.shtml), dated to 1555, 1577, 1582. Imchada and Flaithbertaig are both found as genitive forms in "100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/irish100.html), under the headings Imchad and Flaithertach respectively. [7]
    She is interested in authenticity for "Irish Gaelic" language/culture.
  9. Samuel Tynker. (Drygestan) Resubmitted Device (kingdom). Per pale sable and argent, in fess a mask of tragedy and a mask of comedy counterchanged and on a chief gules a crescent Or.
    His name was on the September 2003 Outlands Letter of Intent. His previous device submission was returned by Rampart at that time for a lack of documentation for the primary charge. This is a complete reworking.
  10. Tancred d'Avighnon. (al-Barran) New Name and New Device. Sable, in pale a ram's head between two fleurs-de-lys Or.
    Tancred is found in Withycombe's Oxford Dictionary of English Names, on page 275 as the Norman French spelling. d'Avignon is found in "French/Occitan Names from the XII and XIII Century" by Ramons lo Montalbes (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ramon/occitan/occitan_b.html) where there is a listing for Bertrand d'Avignon (as a modern French form. The Occitan form is Bertrans d'Avinho which, while period, sounds like a bad idea to me.). [8]
    He cares most about the (unspecified) language/culture.
  11. Tyrfingr von Wolfsberg. (Caerthe) Resubmitted Device (kingdom). Azure, a wolf statant to sinister, maintaining a sheaf of arrows inverted, in canton a mullet of seven points argent, and a ford proper.
    His name was registered on the August 2003 LOAR. His first device submission was returned in April 2003 by Rampart for using a fimbriated chief. His second device submission, Azure, a mullet of seven points and a wolf statant contourny maintaining a sheaf of arrows inverted argent, was returned in September 2003 by Rampart for conflict with the Barony of Rivenstar (Azure, a riven star argent) and the country of Somalia (Azure, a mullet argent). This resubmission addresses the conflict by making the mullet small enough to be a secondary, and adding the ford.

Line Emblazon Sheet
Color Emblazon Sheet
January 2004 Letter of Presentation
February 2004 Letter of Response
February 2004 Letter of Intent
June 2004 LoAR Results
Return to the Rampart home page.

Anyone who wants to may send me a letter of comment regarding this Letter of Presentation. I prefer them via email.
Please send commentary to: alia 'at' swcp.com or the address above.
Please have your commentary on this letter to me by mid February.

[1] Dated citation(s) would be really nice for this - maybe the Medieval Names Archive or the Laurel Education Page or items on the No Photocopy list have something? Also, is this formed in a reasonable way? For the formation with ingen, the last part should be a male given name - is this one?

[2] While this is a perfectly good source, finding it in a no-photocopy source would be nice.

[3] Conflict check would be good. Remember, the knot is a tertiary (aka "Charge on a charge"), so there may be conflicting devices without any knots on them! For example, (Fieldless) On an amphora vert, a wombat argent conflicts, with only one CD for X.4.j.ii. - changing the type of the tertiary charge in a simple case.

[4] Conflict check would be good. Remember, the fleurs are tertiaries (aka "Charge on a charge"), so there may be conflicting devices without any fleurs on them! For example, Gules, on a chevron sable fimbriated Or, five wombats argent conflicts, with only one CD for X.4.j.ii. - changing the type of the tertiary charge in a simple case.

[5] Double check that this is, indeed in Surnames of Ireland and see if there's a date for it. A dated citation in another source would be just as good. Checking the Academy report and finding the source of the date for the abbess would be nice too.

[6] The name seems straightforward enough (though, doesn't that source look familiar?). However, the device may be difficult to check. Also, does this blazon (words) adequately describe the emblazon (picture)?

[7] The docs on the individual parts look good, but is the formation good? I know someone's got some information about forming these kinds of names, somewhere in the Medieval Names Archive.

[8] It looks like the submission is a slightly different spelling of a modern French form of the Occitan Avinho. Avinho, for all of its periodicity, has two issues: a) I'm not sure the submittor wants an Occitan name, b) the opportunity for impolite mishearings and misinterpretations is rather high. I'd be surprised if there isn't a decent source elsewhere with either the submitted spelling or the modern French spelling documented. So, take a look around, see if there's anything useful.