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Outlands College of Heralds
From the office of the Rampart Herald
Lady Alia Marie de Blois
rampart@outlandsheralds.org
UNTO the members of the College of Heralds of the Kingdom of the Outlands,
and all others who generously give of their time and talents in commentary on
this Letter of Presentation, upon this 19th day of March, A.S. XXXVII (2003
CE), does Lady Alia Marie de Blois, Rampart Herald, send greetings and those
commendations which are appropriately due.
Anyone who wants to may send me a letter of comment regarding this Letter of
Presentation. I prefer them via email.
Please have your commentary on this letter to me by the end of April. Please
send commentary to: alia 'at' swcp.com
or the address above.
On behalf of Mistress Tatiana Pavlovna Sokolova, White Stag Principal Herald,
I present the following items for your consideration:
Line Emblazon Sheet
Color Emblazon Sheet
May 2003 Letter of Response
May 2003 Letter of Intent
September 2003 LoAR Results
Return to the Rampart home
page.
Unless otherwise specified, all changes are allowed by the submitter.
- Constance Warrock de Winandemere. (Citadel) Device Resubmission
(Laurel). Argent, two roses azure seeded Or and on a point entée fleury
azure, a cross patonce argent.
Her name was registered on the August 2002 LOAR. Her previous device submission,
Per chevron argent and azure, two roses azure seeded Or and a cross patonce
argent, was returned by Laurel in August 2002, for conflict with Roxanne
of Anglesey, Per chevron argent and azure, three primroses, one and two,
azure, and a candle argent, enflamed and resting in a holder Or. This
resubmission attempts to avoid this conflict by reblazoning the lower portion
of the per chevron field as 'a point entée fleury'.
With both of the forms in front of me, it is clear that the images are identical
except for the addition of a relatively small demi-fleur-de-lys to the per
chevron line, and as such is clearly not a point (nor a point entée).
A point entée should be significantly smaller. Alternately, the demi-fleur
should be a lot more noticible. I have spoken with the client about this and
hope to see new forms before this comes up for a decision. I'd definitely
appreciate conflict checks against the potential blazon Per chevron argent
and azure, between two roses azure seeded Or and a cross patonce argent, a
fleur-de-lys issuant from the line of division azure.
- Eric Eldonson. (al-Barran) New Name and Device. Argent, a chevron
between two compass stars vert and an anchor sable.
Eric: No documenation was provided. However, this name can be found in Withycombe's
Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names (3rd edition) on page
105, which lists it as a modern name. The spelling Erik is found in
the "Finnish Name Article" by Rouva Gertrud (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/FinnishNamesArticle.htm)
which says about this name: "Erik Skynnare 1432, FMU III 2047.Eerich
Andersson 1482, FMU V 3902. A very popular name."
Eldonson: No documentation was provided. Reaney & Wilson's Dictionary
of English Surnames (rev. 3rd edition, paperback) on page152, under the
header "Eldin, Eldon", says " ... From Elveden (Sf),
or Eldon (Du)." I think that's implying that Eldon is Dutch, but
there's obviously no date, nor was I able to find any documentation to back
that up. The spelling Elden is dated both to 1561 and and 1596. In
either case, I'm not sure that the construction Eldonson is supportable
(I'd expect Eldonsson, even if I could document Eldon as a given
name).
He will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, and
wishes to have a male name authentic for language/culture "11-13th Cent.
Scandinavian".
- Gormlaith Ó'Néill. (al-Barran) New Name and Device.
Per bend sinister Or and argent, a bend sinister purpure between a heart
and three gouttes gules.
Gormlaith: This is found in Irish Names by O'Corrain & Maguire
on page 114, "Gormlaith, daughter of the King of Leinster, wife Brian
Boru and mother of Sitric, king of Dublin who died in 1030."
Ó'Néill ({O'}'N{e'}ill): This is found in MacLysaght on page
241, "Down to the time of Brian Boru, who reigned from 1002 to 1014,
the Ui Néill, i.e. descendents of Niall of the Nine Hostages, were,
almost without interruption, High Kings of Ireland.
This client prefers a female name and will not allow any changes, but will
allow a holding name.
- Ileana Welgy. (al-Barran) Device Resubmission (Laurel). Argent,
a moor's arm embowed proper upon a trimount vert, on a chief azure three
crescents argent.
Her name was registered in August 1998 via the Outlands. Her previous device
submission, Azure, a cubit arm proper issuant from a trimount vert braced
of a comital coronet Or jewelled gules, maintaining a crescent between two
crescents argent, was returned on the November 2002 LOAR for various issues
regarding simplicity, similiarity to the known examples of armory utilizing
blue fields with green trimounts, and contrast issues between the coronet
and the arm. This is a significant redesign, which neatly avoids the whole
issue of regional style by using an argent field with the green trimount.
Per the December 2002 LOAR, the Moor (and by inference a Moor's arm) is dark
brown, and thus classified as a color, so it has good contrast with the field.
Please excuse the quickly computer-colored color drawing. That's my doing.
- Lin Shiao Mei. (al-Barran) New Name and Device. Gules, a phoenix,
on a chief triangular argent, a cinquefoil purpure.
Lin: This is the client's modern surname; a photocopy of her birth certificate
was provided. She also provided a printout of "Chinese Personal Names"
(http://weber.ucsd.edu/~dkjordan/chin/hbnames-u.html)
which says that putting the family name at the beginning is correct (although
it does not state when the time period that was done, my impression is that
the ordering of names in China has not changed for quite a long ways back
into our period of study.).
Shaio Mei: According to the client, this name means "Little Plum Blossom".
Mei is part of her modern name as "Yun-Mei" (also on said birth
certificate) which she says means "Song of the Plum Blossom". She
provided a printout of "Chinese Character Flashcards" (http://www.mandarintools.com/flashcard.html),
which shows the character for "shiao" and gives the meaning in English
as "small, tiny, insignificant".
She will not accept major or minor changes, cares most about the language/culture
and meaning (which she says is: "Little Plum Blossom" from the family
"Lin"), and wishes a female name authentic for the language/culture
"Chinese".
- Llywus ap Alan. (al-Barran/Drygestan) Name and Device Resubmission
(Laurel). Argent, a panther sejant sable, on a chief vert three candles argent
enflamed
Or.
The original name, Llywus ap Alun, and original device submission, Argent,
a mountain lion sejant proper, on a chief vert three candles argent, enflamed
proper (Felis concolor), submission was returned by Laurel in March 1987
(no, not a typo), the name for insufficient reliable documentation for the
given name Llywus, and the device for having a brown mountain lion when a
'proper' one would be Or and thus have poor contrast with the argent field.
The submitter consulted with Herald's Point at Estrella War and this resubmission
addresses these issues.
Llywus: the submitter's legal middle name. He enclosed a copy of his legal
name change documents.
ap Alan: ap is fairly common Welsh for 'son of'. Alan is documented in Reaney
and Wilson, on page 7.
He will not accept major changes to his name, and wishes a male name authentic
for "12th-14th century Welsh" time period and language/culture.
If this spelling of the given name is not registrable, the submitter will
accept "Llwys", which is listed in Morgan & Morgan on page 149.
The odd line across the chief is from folding the paper to fit it in the envelope.
The colors appear to be printed with a laser printer or some kind of glossy
ink; the submitter told me (on the phone, while getting my address to submit
this, as he has no local herald) that he had access to an archival-quality
printer. The line drawing appears to be a grey-scale of the color drawing.
- Morris Ó Fiaich. (Drygestan) New Device. Checky azure and
argent, on a bend argent fimbriated sable, three hearts gules.
His name was registered on the October 1999 LOAR.
- Nikolaus von Stahburg. (Citadel) New Name and Device.Per chevron
throughout vert and sable, a chevron throughout between three rams heads
affronty cabossed
argent horned Or.
Nikolaus: This name is found in A Dictionary of German Names by Bahlow
(translation by Edda Gentry, second edition) on page 346, under the heading
Nick(el), which says "Saint Nikolaus was the patron sain of mariners
and ship captains, seafaring merchants, and children (saint's day Dec. 6!);
next to Johann(es) and Petrus, N. was the most req. f.n. in the Middle Ages.
This spelling is also found in http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/germmasc.html
"Late Period German Masculine Given Names" by Talan Gwynek, with
615 instances between 1501 and 1550.
von Stahburg: I don't seem to have any documentation for this in any of my
easily available sources.
The client prefers a male name, authentic for unspecified language/culture,
and will not allow any changes, nor the creation of a holding name.
- Outlands, Kingdom of the. (Outlands) New Heraldic Title. Stag's
Attire Herald.
This is a sparkly new Heraldic title intended for the use of an external commenter
in the College of Arms. It is based on the heraldry of the kingdom, to wit,
the attires of the stag prominently featured on the king's arms. Attire is
found in reference to the horns of a deer as early as the late 1500's in the
Oxford English Dictionary.
- Tavia of Persia. Device Resubmission (Laurel). Azure, a simurgh close
Or.
Her name was registered on the May 2002 LOAR. Her previous device submission,
Azure, a simurgh close argent, was returned by Laurel on the same Letter
for conflict with Winifred Yseult of Hall's Isle, Azure, in pale a peacock
passant close between two roses all argent, and with Morgaina Sarai la
Foncée, Sable, a peacock close maintaining in its beak a lotus with
seedpod argent, slipped and leaved vert. This resubmission addresses the
return by changing the tincture of the simurgh to Or.
- Törägänä Al'altun. (Citadel) Name and Device
Resubmission (Laurel). Azure, a peacock feather between in fess a hand of
Fatima bendwise
and another bendwise sinister.
Her previous name submission, Törägänä Al'altun-Baki Khanzade,
and previous device submission, Azure, a tanit between in fess a hand of
Fatima bendwise and another bendwise sinister all between the arabic words
"laha badraar" and "fahalayimiska" Or, were returned
on the April 1999 LOAR for the technical reason of missing name forms. Laurel
at that time also warned that the name has serious issues (to paraphrase poorly:
Baki is a title, and so should not be used; Mongols didn't use three part
names; Toragana would more accurately be spelled Doragene or Toragene) and
that the device had a serious issue (use of the tanit in period heraldry needed
to be documented, as artistic motifs are not always applicable to heraldry;
translation of the arabic words was needed). The client has attempted to address
most of those issues.
Törägänä (T{o:}r{a:}g{a:}n{a:}): The client provided a
photocopy of The Empire of the Steppes: A History of Central Asia by Rene
Grousset (translated from the French by Naomi Walford), which says, "At
Ogödäi's death on December 11, 1241, the regency was entrusted to
his widow, the energetic khatun Törägänä." Also provided
was a printout of http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/jessica-bonner/mongolwomen.html
"Mongol Women's Names" by Jessica Bonner, which also dates this
spelling variant of Toragene to the 13th C.
Al'altun: The client provided a printout of http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/baras-aghur/mongolian.html
"On the Documentation and Construction of Period Mongolian Names"
by Baras-aghur Naran, which documents "Al Altan" (crimson gold).
The submitter requests a female name authentic for "Turkic Timund/Central
Asian (modernly Uzbekistan) under Jenghiz-Hanite rule". She will not
accept major changes.
The device was blazoned originally on the forms as Azure, a peacock feather
between in fess a Hamsa (the hand of Fatima) bendwise and another bendwise
sinister, all surrounded by a circle. The local herald crossed out "all
surrounded by a circle" and added to the beginning of the blazon, "Argent,
on a roundel", making the blazon Argent, on a roundel azure a peacock
feather between in fess a Hamsa (the hand of Fatima) bendwise and another
bendwise sinister. Given the way the roundel is drawn, touching the edges
of the shield shape on the forms, I took a look at her previous submission
and documentation. From that documentation, it was clear that the submitter
intends to display this as a roundel, and therefore drew it on the forms in
a round shape; it does not appear to be her intent to have it be Argent,
on a roundel azure, but as originally blazoned Azure. However,
typically we register devices on the shield shape and the submitter can display
it on any shape they want. Therefore, I have blazoned it as above. I will
be in contact with the submitter and local herald about getting forms without
the unnecessary roundel.
The central charge on the device was blazoned as 'a peacock feather', for
which the submitter provided a photocopy of page 161 of Heirs to the Silk
Road: Uzbekistan edited by Johannes Kalter & Margareta Pavaloc. No
copy of the title page was sent. This page has four unlabelled illustrations,
one of which shows a bowl shard with a somewhat different design with the
caption, "The designs are painted freely and show plants (il. 291) and
rosettes fill (ill. 292) inspired by Chinese models and leafy scrolls and
peacock's feathers ( ill. 293)". It is not clear to me from the description
that the marked bowl shard is being described as being peacock's feathers
or merely inspired by peacocks, or even if it is even the illustration referred
to.
The client also provided a photocopy of Saracenic Heraldry: A Survey by L.A.
Mayer, Ph.D, which describes this exact charge (figure 26 on the chart of
"simple charges"), as the "so-called target". No copy
of the title page was sent. In her previous submission, the client blazoned
this, using this same documentation, as a "tanit." Page 17 of the
documentation says: "The last among the dvices mentioned by Abu-l-Fida'
as having been used as emblems by amirs is a 'dome' (qubbab) in connexion
with which several Mamluk blazons may be misinterpreted. There is one called
'target' which might be mistaken for the outlines of a dome".
- Vanna Lucia Taormina. (Caerthe) New Device. Gyronny sable and gules,
a butterfly argent within a bordure embattled argent.
Her name was registered on the April 1999 LOAR.
This device will be returned, as the use of the two-color gyronny field violates
RfS VIII.2.b.iv. "Elements evenly divided into multiple parts of two
different tinctures must have good contrast between their parts." The
division of this field is especially obscured by the butterfly and bordure.
Please excuse the quickly computer-colored color drawing. That's my doing.
- Wolf von der Mühle-Eckart. (Citadel) New Name and Device. Vert,
upon a pile argent between two wings argent a trebly arched bridge sable.
Wolf: The client provided a printout of a search for "Wolf" in the
SCA online Armorial, with several instances of "Wolf" highlighted.
However, prior registration is no guarantee of future registrability. He also
provided a printout of http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~sfriedemann/names/german1495.htm
"German Given Names from 1495" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, which
lists "Wolff". This name is also found in A Dictionary of German
Names by Bahlow (translation by Edda Gentry, second edition) on page 560,
under the heading Wolf(f), which says "Wolf as f.n. (sh.f. Wolfgang)
becomes popular in the 16th. c."
von der Mühle: The client provided a printout of http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Th.J.F.Schalke/godfried/6.html
"The genealogical tree of Anna von der Muhle" which lists Anna von
der Muhle as having been born CA 1580. Mühle is also found in A Dictionary
of German Names by Bahlow (translation by Edda Gentry, second edition)
on page 337, under the heading Mühl, Mühle, meaning "mill",
and gives the locative or occupational byname "von der, aus der Mühlen".
Eckart: The client provided a printout from a http://www.m-w.com/
"Mirriam-Webster OnLine" search for Eckehart, which lists "Johannes
1260?-?1327 Meister Eckehart German mystic" and has "Eckart"
as a variant. Eckart is also found in A Dictionary of German Names
by Bahlow (translation by Edda Gentry, second edition) on page 93, under the
heading Eckhardt, which says that it was a very popular name in the Middle
Ages, and also says, '"Meister Eckart", the German mystic, was active
around 1300.'
As my strengths are with armory, and not onomastics, I am not sure if 'von
der Mühle-Eckart' is a plausible conjuncted byname.
This client desires a male name, authentic for 14th-15th German, cares most
about "language/culture", and will not allow major changes.
Special addition:
- Leif Vagnsson. (Caerthe) Device Resubmission (K). Quarterly gules
and azure, a bear statant erect contourny sustaining a Danish axe argent.
His name is on the January 2003 Letter of Intent. His previous submission,
Quarterly gules and azure, a bear rampant to sinister argent, was returned
in January 2003 for conflict with Oleg Ivonovich, Per pale sable and vert,
a bear rampant contourny argent, and Máirín ben Dhiarmait, Purpure,
a bear rampant contourney argent, each with only one CD for changes to
the field. This resubmission attempts to remedy these conflicts with the addition
of a sustained axe.
Line Emblazon Sheet
Color Emblazon Sheet
May 2003 Letter of Response
May 2003 Letter of Intent
September 2003 LoAR Results
Return to the Rampart home
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