Last Updated October 29, 2003


Outlands College of Heralds

From the office of the Rampart Herald
Lady Alia Marie de Blois (Lillith Lesanges)
1223 Fruit Ave. NW, Albuquerque, NM 87102
alia@swcp.com - (505) 244-9525

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December 2002 Letter of Presentation
February 2003 Letter of Intent
(due to administrative reasons, the February LoI was considered for the July LOAR)
July 2003 LoAR Results
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Letters of comment were received from: Da'ud ibn Auda, al-Jamal Herald; cnut; Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald; and Naitan de Yerdeburc, Stag's Attire Herald.

  1. Emery de Fittun. New Name and device. Azure, a winged cat couchant guardant argent wings elevated and addorsed Or.

  2. Emery is found in Withycombe, page 102 dated to 1201. de Fittun is found in Reaney and Wilson under the heading Fitton, page 170, dated to 1213. She will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is female.
    Stag's Attire (name): Does Withycombe list as a female name? I seem to remember it being used mostly as a male name.
    cnut (device): Clear
    Stag's Attire (device): No conflicts found
    Green Anchor (device): "Addorsed" when applied to wings, means "back to back". Here we see only a single sinister wing. If the term is to be used, there will need to be a dexter wing in evidence as well. Otherwise blazon the creature as "a one-winged cat … wing elevated."

    Action: Withycombe mentions it as both a male and female name. name passed. device passed.

  3. Edmund Newcastle. Change of registered name from Vebjorn Vegandi.

  4. His name is currently registered as Vebjorn Vegandi. This name was registered in October of 1991 via Calontir. Edmund is found in Withycombe, page 93, under the heading Edmond, Edmund. The name of two kings of England, Edmund the Magnificent (922?-46) and Edmund Ironside (981?-1016) and of two saints, St. Edmund, King of the East Angles, martyred by the Danes in 870, and St. Edmund Rich (1170?-1240), Archbishop of Canterbury. It was common in the 11th C and occurs in DB. Newcastle is found in Reaney and Wilson, page 321. Geoffrey de Newcastle 1246-7; Agnes of Newcastle 1215; Adam de Newcastle 1340. From Newcastle, or Newcastle under Lyme. He will accept changes, cares most about the sound and language/culture, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic for mid 1300's time period and language/culture, a "Subject of King Edward III". There is no indication of what he would like done with his old name. It defaults to being released.
    Stag's Attire (name): The unmarked locative is probably registerable, though I think in the time period he is interested in, the marked locative would have probably been more likely, and most likely the Norman "de". On an administrative note: I would verify that he wants is former name released before you send out the LoI.. Just to prevent some problems down the road. Near miss on conflict: Edmund of Oakcastle, reg.3/93 via Drackenvaldt

    Action: name passed.

  5. Lyneya del Filde. New Name and device. Argent vetu ploye vert, an arrow inverted gules.

  6. Lyneya is found in the Essex Feet of Fines, 1182-1272 http://members.tripod.com/nicolaa5/articles/names.html. del Filde is found in Reaney and Wilson, page 168, under Fildes; Dike del Filde 1281. She will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be authentic for 13th C. English [Norman] time period.
    cnut (device): The arrow is unidentifiable. Additionally, the head and fletching of the arrow are drawn too small, which alone has been grounds for return in the past. [12a/93, p.21] Precedents Da'ud 2.1 - under Arrow "There is no heraldic difference between vetu and a lozenge or lozenge throughout." (LoAR 2/91 p.17). Precedents - Da'ud 1.1, under Couped/Throughout [a pile vs. a pile ployé] "There is … nothing between ployé and straight edges". [Rickard of Gwyntarian, 10/01, R-Middle] Precedents - François, under PILE and PILE INVERTED [a chevron ployé vs. a chevron] "Conflict ... there is only a single CD for the type of the secondary charges." [implying no CD for ployé vs. plain] [Adriana Kavanaugh¸04/00, R-Atenveldt] Precedents - Elsbeth, under CHEVRON and CHEVRON INVERTED Vert, on a lozenge throughout ploye argent an arrow inverted gules vs Amber Lang - March of 1994 (via Atlantia): Vert, on a lozenge argent, a cat sejant guardant sable. Single CD for multiple changes to the tertiary group. Return for violating RfS VII.7.a and conflict.
    Green Anchor (device): Like fructed oak trees, arrows need to be drawn somewhat unrealistically to be identifiable. There's room here for a considerably larger head and rather larger, or at least longer, fletches. The changes would more clearly show that this is an arrow rather than some other sort of stick.
    al-Jamal (device):"The arrow was drawn with small, nigh-invisible point and fletching, which has been reason for return ere now. If he uses an arrow in his resubmission, please instruct the client to draw it with large, visible fletching and point." [returned for this and also for over-complexity] (Brychen Silverfist, LoAR May 1993, p. 17) The head and fletching on the submission at hand are also "nigh-invisible"

    Action: name passed. device pended for a redraw. I'm unconvinced that this will necessarily be a conflict, and without a clear and directly relevant precedent, I'm inclined to see what Wreath says.

  7. Maimuna al-Bukhari. Change of registered name from Eibhlín inghean uí Raghailligh.

  8. Her name is currently registered as Eibhlín inghean uí Raghailligh. This name was registered in October of 2001 via the Outlands. The client provided a good deal of documentation. Here are her notes from her cover letter: "The name Maimuna (or one of its alternate spellings), is the name of one of the wives of the Prophet Muhammed. The internet documentation for the selection of "Maimuna" can be found at various websites, all of which are listed below in the bibliography. All sources quoted from the internet are included in hard copy following this documentation narrative. I have provided additional documentation towards the existence of Maimuna. She was the 11th and last wife of the Prophet Muhammed. They were married in 629 AD. Because the Afghan people historically have not used last names, I have selected the place name indicator for "the person from Bukhara."... Bukhara, a city in Uzbekistan, is mentioned often in "The Cultural History of Islam," by Isma'il R. al-Faruqui and Lois Lamya'al Faruqi (1986). It was a city conquered by Qutaybah ibn Muslim between 710 and 712 (p. 216). In the century after the Prophet's death, Bukhara became a "glorious center of Islamic learning..." (p. 278). Bukhara was founded in the 13th century BC during the reign of Siyavushids. The residents of Bukhara first worshipped Zoroastrian, but eventually Islam became the religion of Bukhara. The Muslims' Mausoleum was built in the 9th and 10th centuries, during a cultural upsurge. I would like to pass one of the following: Maimuna, Maymuna, Maimouna, Maimoona, Maimoonah, Maymunah. If this first choice will not pass, I will consent to changing the name to Maimuna bint Muntasir... "Muntasir" is an Arabic given name that means "warrior." Muntasir was one of the Caliphs of the 'Abbasi Dynasty in Baghdad between 861 and 862 ("The Cultural History of Islam, p. 132). This documentation was also found on a website that identified Muntasir as one of the Abbasid caliphs. Bibliography: al-Faruqi, Isma'il R. and Lois Lamya'al Faruqi, 1986, "The Cultural History of Islam." Macmillan Publishing Company, New York, NY. Muslim Girls Names, Translation of Female Biblical Names, http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/girl1.htm Detail of Marriages of Prophet, http://www.usf.edu.pk/wives.html Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 21, documentation of "Maimuna" in the Qu'ran, http://www.davidicke.net/emagazine/vol22/articles/lizard.html Feminine Arabic Names, "Maymunah," http://www.ummah.net/family/fem.html Afghans: Their History and Culture, Afghan naming practices, http://www.ummah.net/family/fem.html Bukhara, Uzbekistan, History, http://www.advantour.com/uzbekistan/bukhara.html Muntasir as one of the Abbasid Caliphs, http://www.ezsoftech.com/islamic/Naqi1.html" She will accept changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be authentic for "Arabic" language/culture.
    Stag's Attire (name):I will defer any comments to al-Jamal.
    al-Jamal (name): Maimuna is also found (in the transliteration Maimunah, but the final "h" is often not found in transliterations, so its not being in the submitted name is of no consequence so far as registration is concerned) in Da'ud ibn Auda's Arabic Names List on the Laurel website at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/ arabic-naming.html. Al-Bukhari is the expected form for a man from Bukhara; the feminine form would be al-Bukhariyya. Even on the website the submitter cites, "Muntasir" is more properly al-Muntasir; it may also be a unique name to the 'Abbasid caliph. It is used in modern times without the article (al-) as a given name, but I don't find it used in period as such.

    Action: name passed as Maimuna al-Bukariyya.

  9. Outlands Kingdom of the. Order Name and Badge for the Order of the Knight Pensioners of the Venerable Guard. Vert, a sheaf of three swords inverted proper surmounted by a rose, all within an orle of oak leaves Or.

  10. The Order name and Badge were created by King Kynan and Queen Eleanor in August 2001. It is given by the Crown to those of their subjects who have served the martial interests of the Society for a period of not less than thirty (30) years. The holders of this award shall be styled depending upon their precedence, for example, if they are knights, they will be known as Knight Pensioners of the Venerable Guard. If they are armigerous, they will be known as Lord Pensioners of the Venerable Guard. They shall be entitled to place the initials P.V.G. after their names. One of the definitions listed under Pensioner in the OED is "One of a body of gentlemen, instituted by Henry VIII in 1509, as a body-guard to the sovereign within the royal palace; a gentleman-at-arms. Originally called Spearmen, in 1539 Pensioners, later Gentlemen-Pensioners; now Gentlemen-at-arms."
    Stag's Attire (name): Nice documentation.
    Green Anchor (name): If only chivalry will be styled "Knight Pensioners etc.", while other members of the order are to be styled "Lord Pensioners", it seems to me that the name of the order itself ought to be more inclusive. Perhaps something like "Order of the Pensioners of the Venerable Guard" would be better. I believe that modern mundane orders which contain various ranks work this way, like the Order of the Bath, the Legion of Honor, etc.
    al-Jamal (name): If not all of the members of this order will be knights, the word "knight" needs to be dropped from the submitted name: Pensioners of the Venerable Guard. The individual pensioner's personal status should then determine whether they will be addressed as "Knight Pensioner" or "Lord Pensioner".
    Stag's Attire (device): No conflicts found.
    cnut (device): Clear
    al-Jamal (device): Sheaves of swords are "of three" by default; "of three" may safely be deleted from the blazon.

    Action: name passed as Pensioners of the Venerable Guard. Device passed as 'Vert, a sheaf of swords inverted proper surmounted by a rose, all within an orle of oak leaves Or.

  11. Sveinn Grimarsson. New Name.

  12. Sveinn is found in Geirr Bassi, page 15. Grimarr, ibid, page 10. He will accept changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic for 10th c. Norse language/culture.
    Stag's Attire (name): Isn't the normative form of 'sveinn' , 'sveinnr'?
    Green Anchor (name): What's in Geirr Bassi is "Grímarr". Aside from this, the name looks fine to me.

    Action: name passed.
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December 2002 Letter of Presentation
February 2003 Letter of Intent
(due to administrative reasons, the February LoI was considered for the July LOAR)
July 2003 LoAR Results
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