Last Updated October 29, 2003
Outlands College of Heralds
From the office of the Rampart Herald
Lady Alia Marie de Blois (Lillith Lesanges)
1223 Fruit Ave. NW, Albuquerque, NM 87102
alia@swcp.com - (505) 244-9525
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December 2002 Letter of Presentation
February 2003 Letter of Intent
(due to administrative reasons, the February LoI was considered
for the July LOAR)
July 2003 LoAR Results
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Letters of comment were received from: Da'ud ibn Auda, al-Jamal Herald;
cnut; Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald; and Naitan de
Yerdeburc, Stag's Attire Herald.
- Emery de Fittun. New Name and device. Azure, a winged cat couchant
guardant argent wings elevated and addorsed Or.
Emery is found in Withycombe, page 102 dated to 1201. de Fittun is found
in Reaney and Wilson under the heading Fitton, page 170, dated to 1213. She
will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, the
desired gender is female.
Stag's Attire (name): Does Withycombe list as a female name?
I seem to remember it being used mostly as a male name.
cnut (device): Clear
Stag's Attire (device): No conflicts found
Green Anchor (device): "Addorsed" when applied to wings, means "back
to back". Here we see only a single sinister wing. If the term is to be used,
there will need to be a dexter wing in evidence as well. Otherwise blazon
the creature as "a one-winged cat … wing elevated."
Action: Withycombe mentions it as both a male and female name. name
passed. device passed.
- Edmund Newcastle. Change of registered name from Vebjorn Vegandi.
His name is currently registered as Vebjorn Vegandi. This name was registered
in October of 1991 via Calontir. Edmund is found in Withycombe, page 93, under
the heading Edmond, Edmund. The name of two kings of England, Edmund the Magnificent
(922?-46) and Edmund Ironside (981?-1016) and of two saints, St. Edmund, King
of the East Angles, martyred by the Danes in 870, and St. Edmund Rich (1170?-1240),
Archbishop of Canterbury. It was common in the 11th C and occurs in DB. Newcastle
is found in Reaney and Wilson, page 321. Geoffrey de Newcastle 1246-7; Agnes
of Newcastle 1215; Adam de Newcastle 1340. From Newcastle, or Newcastle under
Lyme. He will accept changes, cares most about the sound and language/culture,
the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic
for mid 1300's time period and language/culture, a "Subject of King Edward
III". There is no indication of what he would like done with his old name.
It defaults to being released.
Stag's Attire (name): The unmarked locative is probably registerable,
though I think in the time period he is interested in, the marked locative
would have probably been more likely, and most likely the Norman "de". On
an administrative note: I would verify that he wants is former name released
before you send out the LoI.. Just to prevent some problems down the road.
Near miss on conflict: Edmund of Oakcastle, reg.3/93 via Drackenvaldt
Action: name passed.
- Lyneya del Filde. New Name and device. Argent vetu ploye vert, an
arrow inverted gules.
Lyneya is found in the Essex Feet of Fines, 1182-1272 http://members.tripod.com/nicolaa5/articles/names.html.
del Filde is found in Reaney and Wilson, page 168, under Fildes; Dike del
Filde 1281. She will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture,
the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be
authentic for 13th C. English [Norman] time period.
cnut (device): The arrow is unidentifiable. Additionally, the head
and fletching of the arrow are drawn too small, which alone has been grounds
for return in the past. [12a/93, p.21] Precedents Da'ud 2.1 - under Arrow
"There is no heraldic difference between vetu and a lozenge or lozenge throughout."
(LoAR 2/91 p.17). Precedents - Da'ud 1.1, under Couped/Throughout [a pile
vs. a pile ployé] "There is … nothing between ployé and straight edges".
[Rickard of Gwyntarian, 10/01, R-Middle] Precedents - François, under PILE
and PILE INVERTED [a chevron ployé vs. a chevron] "Conflict ... there
is only a single CD for the type of the secondary charges." [implying
no CD for ployé vs. plain] [Adriana Kavanaugh¸04/00, R-Atenveldt] Precedents
- Elsbeth, under CHEVRON and CHEVRON INVERTED Vert, on a lozenge throughout
ploye argent an arrow inverted gules vs Amber Lang - March of 1994 (via Atlantia):
Vert, on a lozenge argent, a cat sejant guardant sable. Single CD for multiple
changes to the tertiary group. Return for violating RfS VII.7.a and conflict.
Green Anchor (device): Like fructed oak trees, arrows need to be drawn
somewhat unrealistically to be identifiable. There's room here for a considerably
larger head and rather larger, or at least longer, fletches. The changes would
more clearly show that this is an arrow rather than some other sort of stick.
al-Jamal (device):"The arrow was drawn with small, nigh-invisible point
and fletching, which has been reason for return ere now. If he uses an arrow
in his resubmission, please instruct the client to draw it with large, visible
fletching and point." [returned for this and also for over-complexity] (Brychen
Silverfist, LoAR May 1993, p. 17) The head and fletching on the submission
at hand are also "nigh-invisible"
Action: name passed. device pended for a redraw. I'm unconvinced that
this will necessarily be a conflict, and without a clear and directly relevant
precedent, I'm inclined to see what Wreath says.
- Maimuna al-Bukhari. Change of registered name from Eibhlín inghean
uí Raghailligh.
Her name is currently registered as Eibhlín inghean uí Raghailligh. This
name was registered in October of 2001 via the Outlands. The client provided
a good deal of documentation. Here are her notes from her cover letter: "The
name Maimuna (or one of its alternate spellings), is the name of one of the
wives of the Prophet Muhammed. The internet documentation for the selection
of "Maimuna" can be found at various websites, all of which are listed below
in the bibliography. All sources quoted from the internet are included in
hard copy following this documentation narrative. I have provided additional
documentation towards the existence of Maimuna. She was the 11th and last
wife of the Prophet Muhammed. They were married in 629 AD. Because the Afghan
people historically have not used last names, I have selected the place name
indicator for "the person from Bukhara."... Bukhara, a city in Uzbekistan,
is mentioned often in "The Cultural History of Islam," by Isma'il R. al-Faruqui
and Lois Lamya'al Faruqi (1986). It was a city conquered by Qutaybah ibn Muslim
between 710 and 712 (p. 216). In the century after the Prophet's death, Bukhara
became a "glorious center of Islamic learning..." (p. 278). Bukhara was founded
in the 13th century BC during the reign of Siyavushids. The residents of Bukhara
first worshipped Zoroastrian, but eventually Islam became the religion of
Bukhara. The Muslims' Mausoleum was built in the 9th and 10th centuries, during
a cultural upsurge. I would like to pass one of the following: Maimuna, Maymuna,
Maimouna, Maimoona, Maimoonah, Maymunah. If this first choice will not pass,
I will consent to changing the name to Maimuna bint Muntasir... "Muntasir"
is an Arabic given name that means "warrior." Muntasir was one of the Caliphs
of the 'Abbasi Dynasty in Baghdad between 861 and 862 ("The Cultural History
of Islam, p. 132). This documentation was also found on a website that identified
Muntasir as one of the Abbasid caliphs. Bibliography: al-Faruqi, Isma'il R.
and Lois Lamya'al Faruqi, 1986, "The Cultural History of Islam." Macmillan
Publishing Company, New York, NY. Muslim Girls Names, Translation of Female
Biblical Names, http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/girl1.htm
Detail of Marriages of Prophet, http://www.usf.edu.pk/wives.html
Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 21, documentation of "Maimuna" in the Qu'ran,
http://www.davidicke.net/emagazine/vol22/articles/lizard.html
Feminine Arabic Names, "Maymunah," http://www.ummah.net/family/fem.html
Afghans: Their History and Culture, Afghan naming practices, http://www.ummah.net/family/fem.html
Bukhara, Uzbekistan, History, http://www.advantour.com/uzbekistan/bukhara.html
Muntasir as one of the Abbasid Caliphs, http://www.ezsoftech.com/islamic/Naqi1.html"
She will accept changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired
gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be authentic for
"Arabic" language/culture.
Stag's Attire (name):I will defer any comments to al-Jamal.
al-Jamal (name): Maimuna is also found (in the transliteration
Maimunah, but the final "h" is often not found in transliterations, so its
not being in the submitted name is of no consequence so far as registration
is concerned) in Da'ud ibn Auda's Arabic Names List on the Laurel website
at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/ arabic-naming.html. Al-Bukhari
is the expected form for a man from Bukhara; the feminine form would
be al-Bukhariyya. Even on the website the submitter cites, "Muntasir"
is more properly al-Muntasir; it may also be a unique name to
the 'Abbasid caliph. It is used in modern times without the article
(al-) as a given name, but I don't find it used in period as such.
Action: name passed as Maimuna al-Bukariyya.
- Outlands Kingdom of the. Order Name and Badge for the Order of the
Knight Pensioners of the Venerable Guard. Vert, a sheaf of three swords inverted
proper surmounted by a rose, all within an orle of oak leaves Or.
The Order name and Badge were created by King Kynan and Queen Eleanor in
August 2001. It is given by the Crown to those of their subjects who have
served the martial interests of the Society for a period of not less than
thirty (30) years. The holders of this award shall be styled depending upon
their precedence, for example, if they are knights, they will be known as
Knight Pensioners of the Venerable Guard. If they are armigerous, they will
be known as Lord Pensioners of the Venerable Guard. They shall be entitled
to place the initials P.V.G. after their names. One of the definitions listed
under Pensioner in the OED is "One of a body of gentlemen, instituted
by Henry VIII in 1509, as a body-guard to the sovereign within the royal palace;
a gentleman-at-arms. Originally called Spearmen, in 1539 Pensioners,
later Gentlemen-Pensioners; now Gentlemen-at-arms."
Stag's Attire (name): Nice documentation.
Green Anchor (name): If only chivalry will be styled "Knight Pensioners
etc.", while other members of the order are to be styled "Lord Pensioners",
it seems to me that the name of the order itself ought to be more inclusive.
Perhaps something like "Order of the Pensioners of the Venerable Guard" would
be better. I believe that modern mundane orders which contain various ranks
work this way, like the Order of the Bath, the Legion of Honor, etc.
al-Jamal (name): If not all of the members of this order will be knights,
the word "knight" needs to be dropped from the submitted name: Pensioners
of the Venerable Guard. The individual pensioner's personal status should
then determine whether they will be addressed as "Knight Pensioner" or "Lord
Pensioner".
Stag's Attire (device): No conflicts found.
cnut (device): Clear
al-Jamal (device): Sheaves of swords are "of three" by default; "of
three" may safely be deleted from the blazon.
Action: name passed as Pensioners of the Venerable Guard. Device passed
as 'Vert, a sheaf of swords inverted proper surmounted by a rose, all within
an orle of oak leaves Or.
- Sveinn Grimarsson. New Name.
Sveinn is found in Geirr Bassi, page 15. Grimarr, ibid, page 10. He will
accept changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender
is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic for 10th c.
Norse language/culture.
Stag's Attire (name): Isn't the normative form of 'sveinn' , 'sveinnr'?
Green Anchor (name): What's in Geirr Bassi is "Grímarr". Aside from
this, the name looks fine to me.
Action: name passed.
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December 2002 Letter of Presentation
February 2003 Letter of Intent
(due to administrative reasons, the February LoI was considered
for the July LOAR)
July 2003 LoAR Results
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