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Letters of comment were received from Shayk Da'ud ibn Auda, al-Jamal Herald; Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald; Jeanne Marie Lacroix, Sommelier Pursuivant; Aryanhwy merch Catmael; knute, and the Caerthe commenting group which consisted of Sorcha MacLeod, Mór inghean Chathail and Conrad Von Zollern.

  1. Ástrídr Oddsdóttir.Device Resubmission (L). Vert, a chevron each arm terminating in a wolf headed prow argent.

  2. al-Barran, Barony of Her name was registered in December 1994 via the Outlands. Her first device attempt, “Lozengy ermine and vert, two corbies close respectant proper.” was returned by Laurel in December 1994 for conflict with Yamamoto (Hawley’s Mon, p. 50), Two doves respectant. There was one CD for fieldlessness, but the difference in type of bird was insufficient for the second. After the modest proposal removed Yamamoto as a potential conflict, she resubmitted the same device in 1997. It was reblazoned by Laurel as “Lozengy ermine and vert, two birds close respectant sable” and returned in September 1997 for conflict with the Shire of Vakkerfjell Per pale argent and Or, two swans statant close respectant sable maintaining in their beaks a laurel wreath vert. She redrew the birds and submitted the same design again in March 2001. It was returned at Kingdom in July 2001 for using too dark a shade of green. I overturned the ruling and sent it forward on the May 2002 Outlands LoI. It was ruled on by Laurel/Wreath in September. Although this office has not received word of that ruling, commentary received by CoA heralds indicate that it will be returned for conflict with Ellisif Arngunnardottir (7/92), Or, two ravens close respectant sable maintaining between them a crescent gules, all within an orle sable. There is a CD for the field, but a second CD is dependent on the prominence of the maintained crescent. This new design comes almost directly from a device found in Bind 5, nr. 47 Marts 1983 edition, page 299, of Heraldisktidsskrift. A newsletter distributed by the Socitas Heraldica Scandinavica. It is labeled Vestsjællands Amtskommune. The text given is "En gul sparre mellem blåt over rødt, sparrens ben forlænget med to udadvendte gule dragehoveder, i nederste felt tre gule pæle. - Våbenbilledet er inspireret af en af de største historiske seværdigheder i Vestsjælland, nemlig vikingeanlægget Trelleborg, sydvest for Slagelse. De gule figurer anskueliggør dels toppen af gavlen på anlæggets store bygninger, sådan som de er blevet rekonstrueret, dels - drage-hovederne - de vikingeskibe som beman-dedes og udgik fra Trelleborg. Komponeret og tegnet af Aage Wulff. Taget i brug 1981. - Hereafter er der kun én amtskommune, Nordjyllands, som ikke har våben." I am hoping to have Lindorm translate it for me.
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): "There may be three potential problems with this submission that I see right off the bat. First, that the motif is a modern one, not a period one. If my admittedly poor understanding of Swedish is correct, the example being cited was designed or drawn in 1981. The second is that the primary charge here looks almost identical to a "Viking tent arch" submitted some years back which was returned with the following comments: "The College has not previously registered a 'Viking tent arch' as a charge. As a consequence, this registration ... would be the 'defining instance', and we need some documentation for it: either that it appeared in period armory in this form or that it is a period artifact and that this is its standard or typical form. [LoAR May 1994, p.17] The third is that, as drawn, the primary charge is unlikely to be seen as "a chevron, each arm terminating in a wolf headed prow". (The phrase "each arm terminating ..." is somewhat ambiguous, as well. It could as easily mean the end by the edge of the shield, rather like the Spanish *bend engouly*, where the two ends of the bend are being swallowed by a dragon's head.) RfS VII.7.a. requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance." I'm not at all sure that this is the case here."
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "I've never seen a chevron treated this way. It appears to be one end of a Viking tent-frame. I'm not sure that this is unregisterable, but am sure that this blazon won't do. For starters, I would expect the heads to be at the ends of the arms rather than at their juncture. Perhaps when you get your translation of the reference, you can devise a better one."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "I expected the wolf's heads to be at the other end of the chevron. I'm not sure that this is blazonable in standard Anglo-Norman terminology but it will most likely be a Wreath call since she has documentation for the charge. If possible, include a photocopy of the charge she's copying on the LoI. I'm not sure what, if any, difference there would be between a chevron and this charge -- it may be the equivalent of adding a maintained charge. If so, then this would conflict with Ailleann inghen Proinnsias (09/00), Vert, a chevron argent, overall a fleur-de-lys Or, with Julienne Thorn (12/96) Vert, a chevron between three apples in chevron and a lionsejant, queue-forchy argent, with Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (07/01), Vert, a chevron between three falcons argent, with Caitlyn Emrys (08/95), Vert, a chevron between three peacocks pavonated to base argent, Harrys Rob of Wamphray (02/96), Vert, a chevron between three winged spurs argent, and with Megan Silverstar (11/81), Vert, a chevron throughout and in base a mullet of eight points argent. In each case there would only be one CD for removing the secondaries. It would also conflict with Klaus Winter (01/01), Vert, on a chevron throughout argent three holly leaves vert, with a single CD for removing the tertiaries. If this charge is a CD from a chevron, then the device appears clear."
    [Aryanhwy] - (Device): "I don't think I could have reconstructed the emblazon from the blazon given; I would've made the ends of the "arms" of the chevron being the part that terminates at the shield, not the part at the apex of the angle. I'm not sure what alternate blazon I could suggest."
    [knute] - (Device): "Vert, issuant from a chevron abased two wolf heads addorsed argent. Clear."
    [Caerthe] - (Device): "no conflict found. The listed blazon is the appropriate heraldic blazon for this design - it's even period. :) It's one of those things that make you go "Huh?" the first time you see it though."

    ACTION: Device Pended for further research.

  3. Bede's College. Group Name Resubmission and Device Resubmission. Azure, an open book within a laurel wreath, on a chief Or a lion dormant sable.

  4. This group previously submitted their name as the College of Venerable Bede along with this exact armory. The name was returned by Laurel in November 2001 for lack of evidence that "Venerable" was included in English place names. Laurel/Pelican went on to write "As Bede was not officially a saint, the question is whether a place named for him would include Venerable, Saint or no title at all. At least one church was dedicated to him in period since Farmer, The Oxford Dictionary of Saints (p. 506 s.n. Wulfstan) says of Saint Wulfstan (c. 1008-95), "He was specially devoted to the English saints, notably Bede, to whom he dedicated a church". Unfortunately, Farmer does not say what the actual name of the church was. Speed, The Counties of Britain, (p. 75, "map of Durham") includes the phrase, "which as Beda sayth" in a description of the city of Durham. So Speed did not use a title when he referred to Bede in this context. From this information, we know that at least one location (a church) was named for Bede, but we don't know what form it took. The location Bedminster, listed in Ekwall (p. 34 s.n. Bedminster), dates the forms Beiminstre and Betministra to the Domesday Book and gives the meaning of this name as 'Bēda's minster or church'. These are the earliest forms found for the name of this location Bedminster, so perhaps this is the location of the church Wulfstan founded, as the Domesday Book dates from during his lifetime. Ekwall (p. 34) lists a number of places that incorporate the name Bēda, including Bedburn 'Bēda's stream' and Bedfont 'Bēda's spring', among others. A placename combining an element derived from 'Bēda's' and an element refering to a geographical feature or structure (stream, church, spring, etc.) would be registerable." The clients would like this name to be passed as it is submitted here (allowing for any necessary minor spelling changes), but if it cannot pass, they are willing to add a geographical feature to make the name "Bede's Hill". The only boxed checked under "Name Processing Criteria" was that they care most about the sound.
    [al-Jamal] - (Branch Name): ""The use of the apostrophe in possessives is not period." (LoAR September 1994 p. 7) From the documentation cited in the LoI, it would seem to me that Bedcollege or College of Bedhill would be more likely."
    [Green Anchor] - (Branch Name): "There are quite a few churches and schools dedicated to Bede. Several of the schools, including ones in Mentone, Victoria, Australia, Christchurch, N.Z., and Manchester, England, are called "St. Bede's College". Don't think this would be a conflict as there are more than one. See for a long list. None of the institutions on this list omit both "Saint" and "venerable"; some even use both!"
    [Aryanhwy] - (Branch Name): "The documentation presented here seems to support Bedcollege (or some similar construction using a temporally appropriate term instead of College, or at the very least Bedes College; the apostrophe to indicate possession was extremely rare. Have they given any evidence that Bede's Hill or College of Bede's Hill would be an appropriate place name?"
    [knute] - (Branch arms): "The laurel wreath should be more round and closed at the top. Clear."
    [Caerthe] - (Branch Name and Device): "no conflicts for name or device."

    ACTION: Branch Name Passed. Branch Arms Passed.

  5. Brighid inghean Fhearghusa.New Device. Or, a rod of Aesculapius proper between three points purpure.

  6. Dragonsspine, Barony of Her name was registered in February 2002 via the Outlands. I don't think that the rod of Aesculapius has a "proper" coloration. This has a brown staff and green snake.
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): ""Although all three 'points' are mentioned in heraldic tracts, in practice only the base one appears to have been used; and even in the tracts, the dexter and sinister points are described as abatements of honor, to be used separately, and not in conjunction." (LoAR April 1992, p.19). I do not believe that the Staff of Aesculapius has a defined "proper" tincture; were this to be forwarded to Laurel, it should probably be reblazoned as something like *a staff proper entwined by a serpent vert*."
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "I agree about "proper" in the blazon."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "This could be reblazoned as Or, a snake vert entwined about a staff proper between three points purpure. Recent CoA commentary on another submission has pointed out the precedent: [A device using three points] "Although all three 'points' are mentioned in heraldic tracts, in practice only the base one appears to have been used; and even in the tracts, the dexter and sinister points are described as abatements of honor, to be used separately, and not in conjunction." [The device was returned for this reason in conjunction with complexity and a difficult-to-identify semy] (Loar 4/92 p.19)."
    [Aryanhwy] - (Device): "The use of all three points is not allowed per past precedent. From the 04/92 LoAR: "Although all three "points" are mentioned in heraldic tracts, in practice only the base one appears to have been used; and even in the tracts, the dexter and sinister points are described as abatements of honor, to be used separately, and not in conjunction." This precedent was reaffirmed in 12/93: "No documentation was presented to contradict this precedent [the one from 04/92]. As a consequence, the precedent disallowing the use of dexter and/or sinister points remains in place.""
    [knute] - (Device): "Or, a serpent vert entwined about a branch blasted palewise proper between three points purpure. Clear for a legal base (single point). Return for violating RfS VII. (the dexter and sinister points)."
    [Caerthe] - (Device): "no conflict found. A "rod of Aesculapius" is a known heraldic charge. If they've drawn it funny, then a re-blazon might be in order, but you'll have to justify your statement with a description of other "rods of Aesculapius" you've seen, and what particularly about this one is different. All of the Rods of Aesculapius registered have denoted some tincture. While a stick, being once removed from the trunk of a tree, may be denoted proper for brown, a snake has no default/proper coloration. Possible rewrite of blazon: "Or, a snake vert entwined of a branch proper palewise between three points purpure." no conflict found"

    ACTION: Device Returned for using all three points in a single design.

  7. Castellana Alcon.New Device. Purpure, a bengal tiger sejant affronty Or marked sable, in chief a scimitar and a scimitar reversed argent.

  8. Caer Galen, Shire of Her name was registered in February 2002 via the Outlands.
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): "It might be more succinct, and slightly less confusing, to blazon the swords as *in chief two scimitars addorsed argent*."
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "It's a Bengal tiger."
    [knute] - (Device): "Purpure, a bengal tiger sejant affronty Or marked sable between in chief two scimitars addorsed argent. Clear."
    [Caerthe] - (Device): "no conflict found."

    ACTION: Device Passed.

  9. Chiara Grassi.New Name and Device. Azure, two roses slipped and leaved and an orle argent.

  10. Dragonsspine, Barony of "Chiara" is found on a website linked from the College of Saint Gabriel titled Feminine Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427 by Arval Benicoeur (Josh Mittleman). It is a list of Italian feminine names from Florence in the 15th century drawn from Census and Property Survey of Florentine Domains in the Province of Tuscany, 1427-1480. By David Herlihy and Christiane Klapisch-Zuber. Machine readable data file. Online Catasto of 1427 Version 1.1. Online Florentine Renaissance Resources: Brown University, Providence, R.I., 1996. The database identifies 1562 women who share 255 separate names. "Chiara" is on the list of names which occur fewer than 5 times. "Grassi" is found on the website titled Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names by Arval Benicoeur (Josh Mittleman) and Talan Gwynek (Brian M. Scott). "Grassi" is listed as a descriptive byname meaning "fat" or "stout". She will accept changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is female, and she is interesting in having her name be authentic for 15-16th c. Italian language/culture.
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): "I don't believe there is a default placement for two charges on the field. We may wish to specify that the roses are *in fess*."
    [knute] - (Device): "Azure, natural two roses slipped and leaved within an orle argent. Clear."
    [Caerthe] - (Device): "no conflicts found."

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed.

  11. Drahomira von Augsburg. New Badge. (Fieldless) A fleur-de-lys per pale purpure and Or.

  12. Hawks Hollow, Canton of Her name was registered in March 2002 via the Outlands.
    [knute] - (Badge): "Clear."
    [Caerthe] - (Badge): "no conflict found. Consensus of meeting that this is a beautiful badge."

    ACTION: Badge Passed.

  13. Marko Evanovich Panfilov.New Name and Device. Vert, an owl contourny argent and an orle Or.

  14. Dragonsspine, Barony of All elements are documented using Paul Wickenden of Thanet's Dictionary of Period Russian names linked from the Laurel website at "Marko Gorbach, peasant of the Frolovsk parish, 1498." "Evanovich' [from Evan], Iakim Evanovich', middle of 15th century." Tatiana Pavlovna Sokolova, the consulting herald, notes: "According to the site, the apostrophe at the end is indicative of the "soft sign", a Cyrillic character which modifies the pronunciation of certain consonants. In many cases, the terminal soft sign is omitted from patronymics listed on this site. For instance, the common patronymic "Ivanovich" appears in this sources both with and without the final apostrophe: "Mikhail Ivanovich, lord, 1386; Prokofe Ivanovich', boiar, 1386." I point this out to demonstrate that the final apostrophe (soft sign) is not a vital part of the name construction, and it should be able to be omitted, which is the preference of the submitter. From my own study of Russian, I know that a soft sign is no longer used on the end of the male patronymic endings 'ovich' or 'evich'." Panfilov-patronymic form of "Panfil", a variant of "Pamfil" a martyr from 1356. From Paul's Dictionary: "Panfilov [from Panfil], Onton Panfilov. 1613-8." Tatiana again notes "Although in earlier period Russia it was unusual to use a family name or surname, in later period it became a more common practice. Family names were sometimes derived from a patronymic. For instance, from Paul's website there appear the names "Mikita Istovno Evanov" (14th c.), "Maksim Ioninich Semenov" (15th c.), "Iaroslav Ivonovich Iaroslavich" (1579). There are undoubtedly other examples of this practice in the same source, but I felt that three examples would be sufficient." The client will accept changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic for "Russian" language and/or culture.
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): "It is a little more usual in SCA blazon to note that the primary charge is *within* a surrounding charge group; *Vert, an owl contourny argent within an orle Or.*"
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "Probable conflict with Ayslynn MacGuraran (08/78), Azure, a snowy owl affronty proper grasping in its dexter talon three roses Or, slipped and leaved vert, and in its sinister talon two of the same, within an orle Or. There's a CD changing the tincture of the field but nothing for removing the maintained charges. There's probably nothing for the owl's posture per Bruce's precedent '[An owl affronty guardant vs. an owl statant guardant] The "blobbiness" of the owl's body, and the fact that the owl is guardant in all cases, leads me to conclude that there is no visual difference for turning the owl's body affronty. [See also Gundric Fawkes, October 1992 LoAR, pg. 29] (Stanwulf the Stern, August, 1992, pg. 26)'."
    [knute] - (Device): "Vert, an owl contourny argent within an orle Or. Clear."
    [Caerthe] - (Device): "possible conflict with: Rosamund von Ravenna The following device associated with this name was registered in May of 1984 (via the West): Vert, a raven close to sinister argent within an orle of cinquefoils Or. Elizabeth Yvonne Owles The following device associated with this name was registered in June of 1995 (via An Tir): Vert, an owl contourny argent between five oak leaves palewise in annulo Or. There is a difference between an owl and a raven per : February 2000 LoAR... Additionally any bird other than an eagle in a displayed posture will be considered a "weirdness". Henceforth owls, being distinct charges in period, are generally considered significantly different from other birds, but are subject to the preceding visual comparison if displayed. The question then being is there a conflict between items in annulo or an orle of items and and orle?"

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed.

  15. Robert Blackhawk. Badge Resubmission (K). Azure, a chevron embattled counter-embattled and a bordure argent.

  16. Hawks Hollow, Canton of His name was registered in July of 1999 via the Outlands. His previous badge, "Azure, a chevron and a bordure argent." was returned from Kingdom in March 2002 for conflict with the registered device of Diane von Dakerwald, April of 1989 via the West: Azure, a chevron argent between three fir trees couped Or, all within a bordure argent. 1 CD for removal of the secondary charge group, but that's all.
    [Sommelier] - (Badge): "This should be clear of Aelesia Emelyne Couchur (04/99), Azure, a chevron embattled argent, with a CD for adding the bordure and another for changing the line of division from embattled to embattled-counter-embattled."
    [knute] - (Badge): "Clear."
    [Caerthe] - (Badge): "possible conflict with Aelesia Emelyne Couchur The following device associated with this name was registered in April of 1999 (via Meridies): Azure, a chevron embattled argent. Is a chevron embattled, counter-embattled sufficiently different from a chevron embattled?"

    ACTION: Badge Passed.

  17. Scandlán Cáel mac Lonáin. New Name and Device. Argent, a fess between three ravens sable.

  18. Dragonsspine, Barony of Notes from Tatiana Pavlovna Sokolova, the consulting herald: "The general name construction is intended to be: -Given Name- -descriptive adjective- -simple patronymic byname-. This construction is listed as authentic according to the information at the website: Quick and Easy Gaelic Names, by Sharon Krossa. This site is part of the Academy of Saint Gabriel library. Scandlán - pg. 162, O'Corráin & Maguire, Irish Names - listed as a male name "relatively common in early Ireland". Scandlán Mór mac Cind Faelad is listed as an early king of Ossory, who died in 646. Scandlán mac Taidc, abbot of Killaloe, died in 991. Cáel - pg. 40, ibid - listed as a male name meaning "slender, fine, thin". Source also says "In the early period this name is found principally in the south. It was borne by one of the heroes of the Finn-tales who was slain at the battle of ventry." mac Lonáin - a simple patronymic byname, based on the name "Lonán", in what I believe to be the correct genitive case. Lonán - pg. 124 ibid. The sourcebook states: "From lon 'blackbird' Irish tradition says that there are eleven saints of this name. Among them are St Lonán Finn whose feast-day is 22 January; St. Lonán whose feast-day is 6 June; and St. Lonán of Trevet in Meath whose feast-day is 1 November." The 'blackbird' meaning is important to the client, because he would like his device to be canting." He will accept changes, cares most about the sound, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be autheic for "Scottish Irish or Manx" language and/or culture.
    [Aryanhwy] - (Name): "Right now this is documented as -given name- -given name- -patronymic-, a construction which is not registerable for Irish Gaelic. Thankfully, there is evidence for Cáel (actually Caol, in the post c1200 form) as a descriptive byname; there is one example of it in 1470 according to Mari's index of masculine descriptive bynames from the Annals ( Cáel would be the appropriate pre c1200 form, even though there is no evidence that this was used as a byname, instead of a given name, in early Ireland."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "Nice device!"
    [knute] - (Device): "Clear."
    [Caerthe] - (Device): "no conflict found."

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed.

  19. Tatiana Pavlovna Sokolova. New Badge. (Fieldless) A cinquefoil purpure.

  20. Dragonsspine, Barony of Her name was registered in November of 1990 via Atenveldt.
    [Sommelier] - (Badge): "The cinquefoil is pierced, which is probably grounds for return. Compare with: "[(Fieldless) A compass star elongated to base pierced quarterly Or and argent] Current precedent is that we only allow the piercing of charges on fieldless badges when those charges were found pierced in period armory (thus disallowing omni-tinctured tertiary charges). While a compass star is closely related to a mullet, it is nevertheless a different charge, one not found in period armory. Therefore we are not inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt and allow it to be pierced as we would a mullet or spur rowel. [Eridana Ambra Dragotta, 01/00, R-Caid]"."
    [knute] - (Badge): "Clear."
    [Caerthe] - (Badge): "no conflict found."

    ACTION: Badge Passed.

  21. Volker AElfwine. Device Resubmission (L). Per chevron ployé argent and sable, a winged serpent displayed vert.

  22. Dragonsspine, Barony of His name was registered in August of 1999 via the Outlands. His first device attempt in August 1997 "Gyronny arrondy sable and vert, a pithon embowed tail nowed argent." was returned from Kingdom in October of 1997 for using a gyronny field of two colors and having a primary charge that was in a posture that was not blazonable. His second attempt in April 1998 "Vert, on a pile sable fimbriated a pithon displayed, tail nowed argent gorged of a collar and chain trailing three links Or" was pended awaiting a name in June 1998 because his name was returned from Laurel in May 1998. When his name was successfully appealed on the April 1999 LoI, his device did not go with it because it had accrued a conflict in the interim with Gunnar Haraldsson 8/98 via Atlantia "Vert, on a pile sable fimbriated Or, an eagle displayed argent". His third device attempt in March 1999 "Vert chaussé throughout sable, a winged serpent displayed argent." was returned from Kingdom for violating the rule of tincture in May 1999. His fourth device submission in May 1999, "Sable chaussé papellony vert and argent, a pithon displayed argent." was returned by Laurel in November 1999 for conflicts with Reynald il Bianco, "Per chevron inverted sable and gules, overall a winged serpent erect displayed argent" and with Artus Falconieri, "Quarterly pean and purpure, a wyvern displayed argent."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "His name is actually registered as Volker Ælfwine ({AE} not AE). Any reason the primary charge is being blazoned a winged serpent instead of a pithon? Consider Diolach Macaree (06/01), Argent, a python glissant palewise wings displayed vert vorant of a rose azure slipped and leaved vert. There's a CD for changes to the field. If I am recalling the device correctly, there's also a CD for removing the rose."
    [knute] - (Device): "Clear."
    [Caerthe] - (Device): "no conflicts found. Very nice device."

    ACTION: Device Passed.

  23. Wilo ingen Donnchada. New Name and Device. Per pall Or argent and sable, a flame gules and two wolves sejant ululant respectant counterchanged.

  24. Dragonsspine, Barony of Notes from Tatiana: "Wilo is found on page 498 of Onomasticon Anglo-Saxonicum by William George Searle. Listed as a given name from Förstemann, Altdeutsches Namenbuch Vol. I Personnamen. ingen Donnchada - patronymic byname - Daughter of Donnchadh. ingen - spelling based on A Simple Guide to Constructing 12th Century Scottish Gaelic Names by Sharon L Krossa at Genetive case of Donnchadh is based on the article at 100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland compiled by Heather Rose Jones (ska Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn) As for the combination of an Anglo-Saxon given name with a Gaelic patronymic, the precedents, as of 2/99 specifically allow the combination of English and Gaelic elements." Tatiana should have quoted the precedent she is referring to. The table of name culture combinations on the January 2002 LoAR Cover letter does not specify combining Gaelic and Saxon elements. The client will accept changes, cares most about the sound, does not care about the gender, and is interesting in having her name be authentic for 10th-12th c. time period.
    [Sommelier] - (Name): "Note that an updated version of the Lingual Weirdness Table can be found at ~ Pelican provided the updated table, based on her rulings, I simply posted it with the rest of the draft precedents. English/Gaelic is a weirdness (Ian MacHenrik, 10/99), Anglo-Saxon/English is a weirdness (Saxsa Corduan, 10/01), I'm not sure Anglo-Saxon/Gaelic is registerable but it's a judgement call for Pelican."
    [Aryanhwy] - (Name): "I cannot support an Old English/Irish combination in any way, and believe it is unregisterable. Though Gaelic/anglicized combinations are allowed, combining anglicized Irish with Anglo-Saxon or Old English is not registerable, per the 10/94 LoAR. I can't imagine that Gaelic/Old English combinations would be any more reasonable."
    [knute] - (Device): "Duibheasa ní Chéileacháin - September of 1992 (via Trimaris): Per pale argent and sable, two wolves sejant respectant ululant, in chief a roundel all counterchanged. CD field, if roundel can be co-primary, no other CDs. Possible X.5. Marina of Vinewood - June of 1997 (via An Tir): Per pall azure, argent and sable, a sprig of grape vine argent and two dogs salient respectant counterchanged. Single CD for posture. Changes to 1/3 of field tincture, primary type, and primary tincture aren't worth CD's. Return for conflict."
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): Re: knute: (In regards to the possible conflict with Duibheasa ní Chéileacháin - September of 1992 (via Trimaris): Per pale argent and sable, two wolves sejant respectant ululant, in chief a roundel all counterchanged.) "Ah, the joys of being a "repository" of a set of the archive CDs from the Laurel files. Looking at Duibheasa's forms, the roundel in chief is pretty clearly a secondary charge, so you should be clear (with at least a tincture CD for the charge in chief, even if you don't count changing the number of primary charges and all that). I think this is clear of Duibheasa." (In regards to the possible conflict with Marina of Vinewood - June of 1997 (via An Tir): Per pall azure, argent and sable, a sprig of grape vine argent and two dogs salient respectant counterchanged.) "This one is trickier, because there _should_ be a CD for changing the type _and_ tincture of the charge in chief. There isn't, technically, because it is 1/3 of a primary charge group and the charges are _not_ two and one on the field. And yet, if the field were "per pale argent and sable" with a chief triangular, those two changes to the "tertiary" charges on the chief would be sufficient for the second CD. I'd make the argument to Laurel (well, Wreath) that it seems inconsistent to grant a CD if they were tertiaries on a chief and not grant a CD if they are considered one of a group of three primary charges. I think this is a "gap" in the Rules for differencing that hasn't come up often enough to warrant a ruling. Per pall fields are very rare, even in SCA heraldry, and there may not have been a need before to make a precedent like the one that was done defining the bottommost of three charges, two and one, on the field as "1/2" of the charge group for purposes of difference."
    [Sommelier] - (Device): "Add a comma after the Or. Consider Wastekeep, Barony of (02/81), Per pall Or, argent and azure, a laurel wreath vert, a tree blasted and eradicated sable, and a grey granite tower proper. X2 does not apply since Wastekeep's device is not X2-simple. Changing the tincture of 1/3 the field is not sufficient for a CD under X.4.a. There is a CD for changing the type of the primaries but at this time changing the tincture of one of the three charges is not sufficient for the second CD (see al-Jamal's comments). I would argue that on this field the charges are in their standard arrangement and the existing precedent (allowing the bottommost of three charges in the standard arrangement to count for 1/2 the group) should apply when the charges are one and two on a per pall field. "
    [Caerthe] - (Device): "no conflict found."

    ACTION: Name Passed for a judgement call from Pelican. Device Passed for a judgement call from Wreath.

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