Outlands College of Heralds
From the office of the Rampart Herald
Pendar the Bard - 10 Magnifico - Los Lunas, NM 87031 - (505) 866-4369
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UNTO the members of the College of Heralds of the Kingdom of the Outlands, and all others who generously give of their time and talents in commentary on this Letter of Presentation, upon this 6th day of October, A.S. XXXVII (2002 CE),

DOES The Honorable Lord Pendar the Bard, Rampart Herald, send

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On behalf of Master Balthazar Tigrerro, White Stag Principal Herald,
I present the following items for your consideration:

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December 2002 Letter of Response
December 2002 Letter of Intent
April 2003 LoAR Results
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  1. Ástrídr Oddsdóttir.Device Resubmission (L). Vert, a chevron each arm terminating in a wolf headed prow argent.

  2. al-Barran, Barony of Her name was registered in December 1994 via the Outlands. Her first device attempt, “Lozengy ermine and vert, two corbies close respectant proper.” was returned by Laurel in December 1994 for conflict with Yamamoto (Hawley’s Mon, p. 50), Two doves respectant. There was one CD for fieldlessness, but the difference in type of bird was insufficient for the second. After the modest proposal removed Yamamoto as a potential conflict, she resubmitted the same device in 1997. It was reblazoned by Laurel as “Lozengy ermine and vert, two birds close respectant sable” and returned in September 1997 for conflict with the Shire of Vakkerfjell Per pale argent and Or, two swans statant close respectant sable maintaining in their beaks a laurel wreath vert. She redrew the birds and submitted the same design again in March 2001. It was returned at Kingdom in July 2001 for using too dark a shade of green. I overturned the ruling and sent it forward on the May 2002 Outlands LoI. It was ruled on by Laurel/Wreath in September. Although this office has not received word of that ruling, commentary received by CoA heralds indicate that it will be returned for conflict with Ellisif Arngunnardottir (7/92), Or, two ravens close respectant sable maintaining between them a crescent gules, all within an orle sable. There is a CD for the field, but a second CD is dependent on the prominence of the maintained crescent. This new design comes almost directly from a device found in Bind 5, nr. 47 Marts 1983 edition, page 299, of Heraldisktidsskrift. A newsletter distributed by the Socitas Heraldica Scandinavica. It is labeled Vestsjćllands Amtskommune. The text given is "En gul sparre mellem blĺt over rřdt, sparrens ben forlćnget med to udadvendte gule dragehoveder, i nederste felt tre gule pćle. - Vĺbenbilledet er inspireret af en af de střrste historiske sevćrdigheder i Vestsjćlland, nemlig vikingeanlćgget Trelleborg, sydvest for Slagelse. De gule figurer anskueliggřr dels toppen af gavlen pĺ anlćggets store bygninger, sĺdan som de er blevet rekonstrueret, dels - drage-hovederne - de vikingeskibe som beman-dedes og udgik fra Trelleborg. Komponeret og tegnet af Aage Wulff. Taget i brug 1981. - Hereafter er der kun én amtskommune, Nordjyllands, som ikke har vĺben." I am hoping to have Lindorm translate it for me.

  3. Bede's College. Group Name Resubmission and Device Resubmission. Azure, an open book within a laurel wreath, on a chief Or a lion dormant sable.

  4. This group previously submitted their name as the College of Venerable Bede along with this exact armory. The name was returned by Laurel in November 2001 for lack of evidence that "Venerable" was included in English place names. Laurel/Pelican went on to write "As Bede was not officially a saint, the question is whether a place named for him would include Venerable, Saint or no title at all. At least one church was dedicated to him in period since Farmer, The Oxford Dictionary of Saints (p. 506 s.n. Wulfstan) says of Saint Wulfstan (c. 1008-95), "He was specially devoted to the English saints, notably Bede, to whom he dedicated a church". Unfortunately, Farmer does not say what the actual name of the church was. Speed, The Counties of Britain, (p. 75, "map of Durham") includes the phrase, "which as Beda sayth" in a description of the city of Durham. So Speed did not use a title when he referred to Bede in this context. From this information, we know that at least one location (a church) was named for Bede, but we don't know what form it took. The location Bedminster, listed in Ekwall (p. 34 s.n. Bedminster), dates the forms Beiminstre and Betministra to the Domesday Book and gives the meaning of this name as 'Bēda's minster or church'. These are the earliest forms found for the name of this location Bedminster, so perhaps this is the location of the church Wulfstan founded, as the Domesday Book dates from during his lifetime. Ekwall (p. 34) lists a number of places that incorporate the name Bēda, including Bedburn 'Bēda's stream' and Bedfont 'Bēda's spring', among others. A placename combining an element derived from 'Bēda's' and an element refering to a geographical feature or structure (stream, church, spring, etc.) would be registerable." The clients would like this name to be passed as it is submitted here (allowing for any necessary minor spelling changes), but if it cannot pass, they are willing to add a geographical feature to make the name "Bede's Hill". The only boxed checked under "Name Processing Criteria" was that they care most about the sound.

  5. Brighid inghean Fhearghusa.New Device. Or, a rod of Aesculapius proper between three points purpure.

  6. Dragonsspine, Barony of Her name was registered in February 2002 via the Outlands. I don't think that the rod of Aesculapius has a "proper" coloration. This has a brown staff and green snake.

  7. Castellana Alcon.New Device. Purpure, a bengal tiger sejant affronty Or marked sable, in chief a scimitar and a scimitar reversed argent.

  8. Caer Galen, Shire of Her name was registered in February 2002 via the Outlands.

  9. Chiara Grassi.New Name and Device. Azure, two roses slipped and leaved and an orle argent.

  10. Dragonsspine, Barony of "Chiara" is found on a website linked from the College of Saint Gabriel titled Feminine Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427 by Arval Benicoeur (Josh Mittleman). http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/ It is a list of Italian feminine names from Florence in the 15th century drawn from Census and Property Survey of Florentine Domains in the Province of Tuscany, 1427-1480. By David Herlihy and Christiane Klapisch-Zuber. Machine readable data file. Online Catasto of 1427 Version 1.1. Online Florentine Renaissance Resources: Brown University, Providence, R.I., 1996. The database identifies 1562 women who share 255 separate names. "Chiara" is on the list of names which occur fewer than 5 times. "Grassi" is found on the website titled Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names by Arval Benicoeur (Josh Mittleman) and Talan Gwynek (Brian M. Scott). http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venice14sur.html. "Grassi" is listed as a descriptive byname meaning "fat" or "stout". She will accept changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is female, and she is interesting in having her name be authentic for 15-16th c. Italian language/culture.

  11. Drahomira von Augsburg. New Badge. (Fieldless) A fleur-de-lys per pale purpure and Or.

  12. Hawks Hollow, Canton of Her name was registered in March 2002 via the Outlands.

  13. Marko Evanovich Panfilov.New Name and Device. Vert, an owl contourny argent and an orle Or.

  14. Dragonsspine, Barony of All elements are documented using Paul Wickenden of Thanet's Dictionary of Period Russian names linked from the Laurel website at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/paul: "Marko Gorbach, peasant of the Frolovsk parish, 1498." "Evanovich' [from Evan], Iakim Evanovich', middle of 15th century." Tatiana Pavlovna Sokolova, the consulting herald, notes: "According to the site, the apostrophe at the end is indicative of the "soft sign", a Cyrillic character which modifies the pronunciation of certain consonants. In many cases, the terminal soft sign is omitted from patronymics listed on this site. For instance, the common patronymic "Ivanovich" appears in this sources both with and without the final apostrophe: "Mikhail Ivanovich, lord, 1386; Prokofe Ivanovich', boiar, 1386." I point this out to demonstrate that the final apostrophe (soft sign) is not a vital part of the name construction, and it should be able to be omitted, which is the preference of the submitter. From my own study of Russian, I know that a soft sign is no longer used on the end of the male patronymic endings 'ovich' or 'evich'." Panfilov-patronymic form of "Panfil", a variant of "Pamfil" a martyr from 1356. From Paul's Dictionary: "Panfilov [from Panfil], Onton Panfilov. 1613-8." Tatiana again notes "Although in earlier period Russia it was unusual to use a family name or surname, in later period it became a more common practice. Family names were sometimes derived from a patronymic. For instance, from Paul's website there appear the names "Mikita Istovno Evanov" (14th c.), "Maksim Ioninich Semenov" (15th c.), "Iaroslav Ivonovich Iaroslavich" (1579). There are undoubtedly other examples of this practice in the same source, but I felt that three examples would be sufficient." The client will accept changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic for "Russian" language and/or culture.

  15. Robert Blackhawk. Badge Resubmission (K). Azure, a chevron embattled counter-embattled and a bordure argent.

  16. Hawks Hollow, Canton of His name was registered in July of 1999 via the Outlands. His previous badge, "Azure, a chevron and a bordure argent." was returned from Kingdom in March 2002 for conflict with the registered device of Diane von Dakerwald, April of 1989 via the West: Azure, a chevron argent between three fir trees couped Or, all within a bordure argent. 1 CD for removal of the secondary charge group, but that's all.

  17. Scandlán Cáel mac Lonáin. New Name and Device. Argent, a fess between three ravens sable.

  18. Dragonsspine, Barony of Notes from Tatiana Pavlovna Sokolova, the consulting herald: "The general name construction is intended to be: -Given Name- -descriptive adjective- -simple patronymic byname-. This construction is listed as authentic according to the information at the website: Quick and Easy Gaelic Names, by Sharon Krossa. This site is part of the Academy of Saint Gabriel library. http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames. Scandlán - pg. 162, O'Corráin & Maguire, Irish Names - listed as a male name "relatively common in early Ireland". Scandlán Mór mac Cind Faelad is listed as an early king of Ossory, who died in 646. Scandlán mac Taidc, abbot of Killaloe, died in 991. Cáel - pg. 40, ibid - listed as a male name meaning "slender, fine, thin". Source also says "In the early period this name is found principally in the south. It was borne by one of the heroes of the Finn-tales who was slain at the battle of ventry." mac Lonáin - a simple patronymic byname, based on the name "Lonán", in what I believe to be the correct genitive case. Lonán - pg. 124 ibid. The sourcebook states: "From lon 'blackbird' Irish tradition says that there are eleven saints of this name. Among them are St Lonán Finn whose feast-day is 22 January; St. Lonán whose feast-day is 6 June; and St. Lonán of Trevet in Meath whose feast-day is 1 November." The 'blackbird' meaning is important to the client, because he would like his device to be canting." He will accept changes, cares most about the sound, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be autheic for "Scottish Irish or Manx" language and/or culture.

  19. Tatiana Pavlovna Sokolova. New Badge. (Fieldless) A cinquefoil purpure.

  20. Dragonsspine, Barony of Her name was registered in November of 1990 via Atenveldt.

  21. Volker AElfwine. Device Resubmission (L). Per chevron ployé argent and sable, a winged serpent displayed vert.

  22. Dragonsspine, Barony of His name was registered in August of 1999 via the Outlands. His first device attempt in August 1997 "Gyronny arrondy sable and vert, a pithon embowed tail nowed argent." was returned from Kingdom in October of 1997 for using a gyronny field of two colors and having a primary charge that was in a posture that was not blazonable. His second attempt in April 1998 "Vert, on a pile sable fimbriated a pithon displayed, tail nowed argent gorged of a collar and chain trailing three links Or" was pended awaiting a name in June 1998 because his name was returned from Laurel in May 1998. When his name was successfully appealed on the April 1999 LoI, his device did not go with it because it had accrued a conflict in the interim with Gunnar Haraldsson 8/98 via Atlantia "Vert, on a pile sable fimbriated Or, an eagle displayed argent". His third device attempt in March 1999 "Vert chaussé throughout sable, a winged serpent displayed argent." was returned from Kingdom for violating the rule of tincture in May 1999. His fourth device submission in May 1999, "Sable chaussé papellony vert and argent, a pithon displayed argent." was returned by Laurel in November 1999 for conflicts with Reynald il Bianco, "Per chevron inverted sable and gules, overall a winged serpent erect displayed argent" and with Artus Falconieri, "Quarterly pean and purpure, a wyvern displayed argent."

  23. Wilo ingen Donnchada. New Name and Device. Per pall Or argent and sable, a flame gules and two wolves sejant ululant respectant counterchanged.

  24. Dragonsspine, Barony of Notes from Tatiana: "Wilo is found on page 498 of Onomasticon Anglo-Saxonicum by William George Searle. Listed as a given name from Förstemann, Altdeutsches Namenbuch Vol. I Personnamen. ingen Donnchada - patronymic byname - Daughter of Donnchadh. ingen - spelling based on A Simple Guide to Constructing 12th Century Scottish Gaelic Names by Sharon L Krossa at http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/simplescotgaelicnames12.shtml Genetive case of Donnchadh is based on the article at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/irish100/ 100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland compiled by Heather Rose Jones (ska Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn) As for the combination of an Anglo-Saxon given name with a Gaelic patronymic, the precedents, as of 2/99 specifically allow the combination of English and Gaelic elements." Tatiana should have quoted the precedent she is referring to. The table of name culture combinations on the January 2002 LoAR Cover letter http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/01/02-01cl.html does not specify combining Gaelic and Saxon elements. The client will accept changes, cares most about the sound, does not care about the gender, and is interesting in having her name be authentic for 10th-12th c. time period.
Line Emblazon Sheet
Color Emblazon Sheet

December 2002 Letter of Response
December 2002 Letter of Intent
April 2003 LoAR Results
Return to the Rampart home page.

Anyone who wants to may send me a letter of comment by e-mail regarding this Letter of Presentation.
Please have your commentary on this letter to me by the end of November.

Please send commentary to: musimon@zcloud.net