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Decisions were made by Pendar the Bard, Rampart Herald on July 2, 2002. Letters of comment were received from Master Da’ud ibn Auda, al-Jamal Herald; Lady Athenais Bryennissa, Black Pillar Pursuivant; Mistress Shauna of Carrick Point, Golden Wing Principal Herald for the Kingdom of Artemisia with rebuttal from Alia Marie de Blois; (and reactions from Lady Sorcha MacLeod, Aspen Pursuivant); Master Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald; La Doña Dulcinea Margarita Teresa Velázquez de Ribera, Trefoil Herald; the Caer Galen commenting group which consisted of Baron Louis-Philippe Mitouard, Cat’s Paw Herald Extraordinary, Baronessa Francesca di Pavia, Pursuivant, Regana van Kortrijk, Caer Galen PE and Jeanne Marie du Bois.

  1. Artorius Greyhawk. New Device. Azure, a hooded hawk’s head argent, on a chief sable fimbriated with a bar lace, three elf-bolts issuant from the bar lace Or.

  2. Fontaine dans Sable, Shire of His name was registered in September of 2000 via the Outlands. The hawk’s head is in trian aspect, which alone is cause for return. I have no idea what a “bar lace” is, but you cannot use objects as fimbriation lines. No documentation was provided for “bar lace”. An “elf bolt” is found in the Pic Dic under “arrow, arrowhead” as an SCA invention. I found no examples of its use in a search of the O&A, nor did I find any examples of such a thing blazoned as a stone arrowhead or spearhead. Is it even registerable? [al-Jamal] - (Device): “Oh, my. As noted in the ILoP, the hawk's head is in trian aspect. It is also pretty much unidentifiable, with only its beak sticking out of the "bag", which is unlike any hawk's hood I have ever seen. As a consequence, it may fall afoul of both RfS VII.7.a. and VII.7.b. RfS VII.7.a. requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance." RfS VII.7.b. requires that "Elements must be reconstructible in a recognizable form from a competent blazon." As noted in the ILoP, the fimbriation of the chief is a returnable problem, as well as having recognizability/reproducibility problems. I did find a single registration of an *elf-bolt*, in November 1977 to Styrbj{o/}rg Ulfethnar Brynwulf, called Elf-Bolt (he later changed the name to drop the byname Elf-Bolt), *Argent, a demi-wolf [Canis lupus occidentalis] salient proper charged upon the shoulder with an elf-bolt argent, issuant from a valknut gules.* Considering the rarity of the charge in the SCA (a single instance to an individual for whom the charge is named) and how long it has been since its registration, it is very likely that Laurel would not now register another one. There is sufficient precedent for disallowing an old charge like this without invoking the "Ting McPhee" rule (submissions in process which mark a notable change in College standards not penalized by the change they invoke). A case such as this, disallowing elf-bolts, would not mark a sufficiently major change in College policy to cause the "Ting McPhee" rule to apply. "We are dubious of the acceptability of the 'Moorish hair brooch' as an heraldic charge. The only extant registration was in 1975 to Alysse of Graedon." [The submissions using this charge were returned, but also were returned for name reasons] (LoAR 8/90 p.15). "A single 10-year old instance of the prior registration of a 'Celtic Triquetrum brooch' is not sufficient precedent to demonstrate either its compatibility or reproducibility. There is serious question about the recovery of the emblazon from the blazon." [the device was returned for this reason] (LoAR 6/91 p.17)."
    [Black Pillar] - (Device): "RfS VII.1.c.i. Perspective states, "Charges may only be drawn in perspective if they were so depicted in period armory." Hawk's heads, hooded or not, were not drawn in trian aspect, so this is returnable for that alone. The "bar lace" appears to be a section of bobbin lace, which I doubt is registerable, due to the difficulty of reproducing the specific lace drawn. The PicDic (s.n. ARROW, #22), lists Styrbjorg Ulfethnar, _Argent, a demi-wolf salient proper, charged upon the shoulder with an elf-bolt argent, and issuant from a valknut gules_, registered 11/77. This device is apparently not listed in the O&A under "arrow" or "pheon." I was unable to find any registration of an elf-bolt besides this one. This also contains a fimbriated chief, which has not been allowed for quite some time: However this is blazoned, in appearance it includes a fimbriated chief, which is not permitted for Society usage. (LoAR 28 Dec 86, p. 18) As well, using objects to fimbriate other charges has long been disallowed: (Returning _Argent, on a bend Or fimbriated of ivy vines three purple morning glories slipped and leaved proper. (Ipomea purpurea)_) You cannot fimbriate with objects. The bend has poor contrast. (WvS, LoAR July 83, p. 14)"
    [Golden Wing] - (Device): “Returnable for trian aspect. 'Nuff said! In addition, the unidentifiable and undocumentated items would certainly warrant return at Kingdom level for more information.”
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "Agree with all your reservations about the device. Even if it were registerable, the arrowheads would be blazoned as inverted."
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "I do not have a problem with the depiction of the hawk’s head. I feel it is more dexter-facing than true trian aspect. However, I cannot find a single instance of Elf Bolt in any heraldic reference except the Pic Dic and, if memory serves, it was declared unregisterable like the riven star. There are elf bolts in the D&D world of GreyHawk (is there a connection?). However, there is no adequate documentation that they existed in period or were used in any way as heraldic charges or how they were depicted. Besides, what is depicted here is not a ‘bolt’ of any sort as it cannot be fired from a bow. It is a bolt-head known as a pheon in proper heradic blazon. The ‘bar lace’ is simply a construct of some sort. Was the submitter, perhaps, trying to make the fimbriation lacey? Either way, it is too wierd the way it is. Recommend the following changes and re-blazon: “Azure, a hooded hawk’s head Argent, on a chief Sable issuant from a fimbriation, three pheons Or.”"
    [Caer Galen] - (Device): "There are SCA examples of elf-bolts: PicDic 1ed: pg 3: “Styrbjorg Ulfethnar bears: Argent, a demi-wolf salient proper, charged upon the shoulder with an elf-bolt argent …”"
    [Rampart] - (Device): "I looked up the reference made by the Caer Galen group and discovered the origin of the term "elf bolt" is this very registration: Styrbjørg Ulfethnar Brynwulf, called Elf-Bolt. This name was changed to Styrbjørg Ulfethnar in April of 1982 (via Atlantia). The term "elf bolt" has not been used since. It is therefore an SCA invention and probably not registerable again. If that charge were the only problem I would be willing to give the client the benefit of the doubt and send it up, but I am 99% certain that it would be returned. This device is returnable for other reasons already noted."

    ACTION: Device Returned.

  3. Artorius Greyhawk. New Badge. (Fieldless) A hawk’s leg palewise proper sustaining by its blade a sword fesswise proper.

  4. Fontaine dans Sable, Shire of His name was registered in September of 2000 via the Outlands. Again, it is drawn in trian aspect which is cause for return. The sword blade was colored grey and the hilt was wrapped with brown straps. [al-Jamal] - (Badge): “In addition to the problem of being in trian aspect, noted in the ILoP, the "sword" is neither a complete *sword* nor is it, unless the blade is argent and the hilt and quillons Or, "proper". The orientation of the sword is not blazonable, being somewhere between *fesswise* and *bendwise*. The eagle's "leg" is somewhere between a *leg* and a *talon*. _All_ of these problems need to be cured before we can register this."
    [Black Pillar] - (Badge): "This shares several of the problems that the device has. To start with, a sword that is "colored grey" and has a hilt "wrapped with brown straps" is not proper; a sword proper would be argent, hilted Or. It should probably also be mentioned that the sword appears to be either couped or broken, as a good half of the blade is missing. The entire thing is in trian aspect, and definitely needs at least a redraw."
    [Golden Wing] - (Badge): “Returnable for trian aspect. 'Nuff said! In addition, the emblazon shows only part of the sword blade. In any re-draw, this would need to be specified in the blazon, OR the entire blade needs to be shown.”
    [Green Anchor] - (Badge): "Once again, I second your reservations."
    [Trefoil] - (Badge): "Reblazon “(Fieldless) A hawk’s gamb proper grasping by the blade in it’s talon a sword....” It’s a bit longer but more descriptive of the badge and corrects the term for the hawk’s gamb."

    ACTION: Badge Returned.

  5. Caerthe, Barony of. Badge Resubmission (K). Or, a dragon passant gules and a chief embattled sable.
  6. The previous badge submission, “Or, a dragon passant gules and a bordure embattled sable.” was returned from kingdom on the April 2002 LoR for conflict with with Ludwig Grun (8/98 Meridies): “Or, a dragon segreant gules, a bordure embattled sable.”, with one difference for position between segreant and passant. There is now 1 CD vs. Ludwig’s for posture and a second for changing the type of peripheral. [Golden Wing] - (Badge): “I found no conflicts.”

    ACTION: Badge Passed.

  7. Caiterína inghean uí Gheraílt. New Device. Per bend sinister gules and pean, in dexter chief a Celtic cross Or.

  8. Caerthe, Barony of Her name was registered in January of 2001 via Atlantia. [Black Pillar] - (Device): "Unfortunately, this conflicts with Pagan le Chaunster, _(Fieldless) An equal-armed Celtic cross Or_, registered 04/92 via Caid. There is one CD for the field, but no CD between a Latinate Celtic cross and an equal-armed one, and no CD for the position of the cross: [(Fieldless) A phoenix rising from an estoile of eight rays Or] Conflict with ... Per chevron argent and vert, in base a phoenix Or. There's one CD for the change to the field but nothing for position on the field versus a fieldless badge. [Eir{i'}kr Mjoksiglandi Sigur arson and Astridr Selr Leifsd{o'}ttir, 09/01, R-Caid] [A Celtic cross] "Conflict with... {fieldless} an equal armed Celtic cross... There is one CD for fieldlessness, but that is all." [implying equal-arming is worth no difference from standard latinate] (LoAR 5/92 p.23)."

    ACTION: Device Returned for conflict cited above by Black Pillar.

  9. Cathyn Fitzgerald. Change of Device Resubmission (K). Per bend rayonny gules and sable.

  10. al-Barran, Barony of His name was registered in November of 1995 via Calontir. His previous change of device submission, “Pily bendy sinister gules and sable” was returned from the Kingdom of the Outlands in April of 2001 for violation of RfSVIII.2.b.iv, “Elements evenly divided into multiple parts of two different tinctures must have good contrast between their parts.” His current device was registered in September of 1987 via the Outlands: “Lozengy couped in fess gules and argent, on a pale Or a sword inverted azure.” If this new device is registered he would like to retain the old device as a badge. [Golden Wing] - (Device): “I found the following that I believe is a conflict against the submitted Per bend rayonny gules and sable, for: Diorbhail ní Ruaidhri The following badge associated with this name was registered in September of 1992 (via Ansteorra): Per bend rayonny gules and sable, two sewing needles bendwise argent. for House Snàthadan Airgid I count only one CD, for the addition of the two sewing needles bendwise argent. In addition, I am not sure that there is enough contrast for this to be clear of the previous RfS return, VIII.2.b.iv, "Elements evenly divided into multiple parts of two different tinctures must have good contrast between their parts." I would question the identifiability of just the two parts with a complex line of division and no overall charge.”
    [Alia Marie de Blois] - (Device/rebuttal to Golden Wing): “But since both of these are simple, it is clear by X.1. unless I miss my mark. X.1. is an easy one to overlook, and it is only through my diligent conflict checking upon my own submission that I have it burned into my memory. The identifiability is the same or better than any similar armory which does have charges (though any overall charge would surely obscure the complex line too much). Thus, I would point out the following registrations, even though prior registration is no indicator of future registrability. Donn MacRoaich: "Per pale indented vert and sable." (1998) Timujin Timurtologai: "Per bend sinister rayonny gules and sable, two mullets of eight points argent." (1998) Glyn d'Artois: "Per pale embattled sable and gules, in dexter chief a cross formy Or." (2000) Alleyne Blackburn: "Per fess rayonny sable and gules, two talbots statant counterstatant argent." (2001)”
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "VERY NICE. Well Done!"

    ACTION: Device Passed.

  11. Ceara McCain. New Name.

  12. Fontaine dans Sable, Shire of “Ceara” is a later form of “Cera”, and is found in O’C&M, pg. For documentation for “McCain” see Fergus McCain below. She will allow changes and makes no request for authenticity. [Golden Wing] - (Name): “In the documentation as presented, the page number from Irish Names, by O'Corrain and Maguire, is missing. I would also like to mention that using excessive shorthand for our usual sources can be a significant cause for confusion with newer heralds. I looked up the name, and found that, on page 50, the spelling is as attested. However, the full text of the citation is as follows: CERA: CEARA (k' ar-a) f. Meaning, perhaps, 'red, bright red'. Cera was one of the wives of Nemed, legendary invader of Ireland, who, according to medieval scholars, gave her name to Mag Cera (Carra), Co Mayo. There were also three virgin saints of the name whose feast-days fell on 5 February, 8 February and 9 September. This is not very good documentation for the use of the name by humans in our period. No dates are assigned to the three virgin saints, so further checking on their names/dates would be very useful in bolstering the argument of the name being used by real people in the Middle Ages. Many of the early saints were later discovered to be of mythological or legendary origin, and this is especially true in Ireland. The documentation provided for the last name, McCain, is listed later in the letter, but I will address it now (and please consider it repeated for the other entry {#10}. As presented, the webpage cited is not one of the regular name sources that we turn to normally. I would be rather leery of any site that has this sort of address - it sounds very much like a genealogy or family tree site, and we don't use those as primary evidence because of the high probability of modern spelling (normalization) and 'iffy' scholarship - many of these sites have no means of independent verification of their information, so we have no way of knowing if the person was transcribing from the actual documents or from other copies, and what sort of clerical or scribal errors might have been introduced during the copying process. A much better approach would be to look at our normal Irish and Scottish last name sources. I say Irish to go with the first name of this submission (and for the first name of submission #10 - Fergus) and Scottish because the 'Mc' form has been found in Scotland as well as Ireland. In Surnames of Scotland, by George F. Black, we find on page 510 the header name of MACIAN, with a date of 1538 for the spelling M'Cane. There are many different variant spellings listed, but this is the closest to the submitted form. In The Surnames of Ireland, by Edward MacLysaght, on page 33, we find the header name of CAIN, CANE: English names used in Mayo for Kane. If we turn to KANE, on page 170, we find the header name of MAC KANE, -KAIN: Variants of the Scottish MacKean but not of the Clare MacKeane. Neither of these is much help, as there are no dates associated with these names. The documentation as presented indicates Manx as the preferred language, but there is no indication that either Ceara or Fergus are of Manx origin or useage. Therefore, I would suggest that the submitter (both, actually, as I would be willing to bet they are husband and wife) be asked for more information as to what they want - spelling or sound - before proceeding further on documentation of the last name.”

    ACTION: Name Passed.

  13. Corwin Roberts. New Name and Device. Sable, a pall inverted between two dragons combattant and a phoenix rising from base Or.

  14. Dragonsspine, Barony of “Corwin” is found in R&W, page 109, under the heading Corden. Corwin is one of the names on the Problem Names Project http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/corwin.shtml. It was ruled SCA compatible a long time ago. “There are some twenty Megans, Meghans, and Meggans already registered. As with Fiona and Corwin, I consider the name to be so much a part of SCA culture as to be acceptable, even if it is recent coinage.” [BoE, 14 Apr 85, p.4] “Robert” is found in Withycombe, page 254, and has been popular since the Domesday Book. He will accept changes, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic for the “English” language and/or culture. [Golden Wing] - (Name): “For Corwin, all that needs to be stated is 'SCA Compatible' along with the relevant quote. A name that appears in the 'Problem Names Project' is usually not a good candidate for registration, as many of these articles provide sufficient evidence to 'shoot down' a submission at local level! I would suggest that even mentioning the fact would be a detriment to this (or any other) submission. Roberts is not documented. The presented reference is for First Names. Fortunately, in A Dictionary of English Surnames, by P.H. Reaney and R. M. Wilson, we find on page 380 the header name of 'ROBERT, ROBERTS . . .' with many citations of variant spellings and dates throughout our period.”
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): “Since phoenixes are "rising" by default, it might be more accurate to note that the phoenix here is *_issuant_ from base*."
    [Golden Wing] - (Device): “Against Sable, a pall inverted between two dragons combattant and a phoenix rising from base Or: I find the following: Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane: The following badge associated with this name was registered in July of 1981 (via the East): Sable, two dragons segreant combattant argent for Silver Dragon Company. It is clear by addition of the pall for one CD and addition of the phoenix for one CD and change of tincture to the dragons for one CD”
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "The pall is way too narrow and the phoenix needs to be blazoned: “ and in base a phoenix risijng from flames Or”. A phoenix is not ALWAYS rising from flames, so, if they are not blazoned, he could end up without flames at all."

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed as Sable, a pall inverted between two dragons combattant and a phoenix issuant from base Or.

  15. Elaisse de Garrigues. New Device. Azure chaussé Or semy-de-lys sable, an oak tree eradicated argent.

  16. Hawks Hollow, Canton of Her name was sent to Laurel on the February 17, 2002 Outlands LoI. [al-Jamal] - (Device): “Unfortunately, the SCA does not allow chap{e'}, chauss{e'}, or vêtu to be charged. "The *chauss{e'}* line of division, along with *chap{e'}* and *vetu*, are different from other lines of divisions in that the outer portions never contained charges in period. Thus we can also not allow charges that overlap the outer portions." (Elsbeth Anne Roth, LoAR May 2000, p. 14) The fleurs-de-lis here, even though blazoned as strewn (*i.e.*, semy), are charges and not a tincture variant (as, for example, *ermine* is considered to be)."
    [Golden Wing] - (Device): “Charging chausse/chape is an 'insta-boing', per Jaelle of Armida 05/1996 ruling: Fenice d'Aix. Device. Gules, on a pile ploy{e'} throughout between two wolf's heads addorsed argent a rabbit's head cabossed sable. What was drawn on the emblazon is not a pile. "A pile does not intersect the corners of the chief." (Baldwin of Erebor, 28 September 1984, p. 9) Nor do we charge the shod part of a chap{e'} or chauss{e'} field. "It is not good style to charge the chape or chausse portion of a field." (Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane, LoAR 25 January 1987, p. 9) "The charged chausse here is really something of a solecism." (Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane, LoAR 26 February 1989, p. 16) This needs to be redrawn as a pile. Removing the sable fleurs should be sufficient for this device to be considered, but I have not conflict-checked it yet.”
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "I was always taught that herald count as follows: “One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight, Semy”. Since there are only 6 fleurs de lys, can they not be blazoned as such instead of semy?"

    ACTION: Device Returned for charging the chaussé portion of the field.

  17. Fergus MacLennan. New Device. Quarterly embattled vert and Or, two wolves salient argent langued gules and two Celtic crosses vert.

  18. Hawks Hollow, Canton of His name was sent to Laurel on the February 17, 2002 Outlands LoI as Fearghus MacLennan. [Black Pillar] - (Name): "If the name was sent to Laurel as "Fearghus MacLennan," it should have been listed by such here, also."
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): “As the field is technically neutral and the wolves do not share a tincture with it, we might wish to specify their location on the field. "With regard to small details on animals, such as claws and teeth, these really shouldn't clutter up the blazon unless really necessary. ... Rather than clutter up the blazon it is much better to just use the space for notes to the scribe or artist on the picture sheet to detail just how to color the small details. Large details, such as a horse's mane, should be described in the blazon." (Wilhelm von Schl{u"}ssel, Cover Letter 18 March 1980, p. 1) This is especially true when, as here, the languing is in the default. Blazon fu: *Quarterly embattled vert and Or, in bend two wolves salient argent and in bend sinister two Celtic crosses vert.*"
    [Black Pillar] - (Device): "This seems to be registerable according to precedent, no matter how strongly it resembles marshalled arms: [registering Quarterly embattled... ] In spite of the line of division, this looks like quartered arms. It is also, however, specifically legal by our rules, in this case XI.3.a. (Sean O'Nolan, 9/94 p. 4) However, the languing is a detail that may be left out of the blazon, especially as gules is the default. Suggested reblazon: Quarterly embattled vert and Or, two wolves salient argent and two Celtic crosses vert."
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "The langueing is in its default tincture, so need not be blazoned."
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "These wolves are too upright for salient. They need to be more diagonal. ‘Salient’ means ‘jumping’ and animals, generally, jump OVER something. This posture would result in the wolf jumping INTO something rather than over it."

    ACTION: Device Passed as Quarterly embattled vert and Or, two wolves salient argent and two Celtic crosses vert.

  19. Fergus McCain. New Name.

  20. Fontaine dans Sable, Shire of “Fergus” is found in OC&M, page 97, s.n. Fergus:Fearghus. “Fergus has been confused with another old name, Forggus, and after the Old Irish period they are both rendered Fergus. Fergus is an extremely common name in the the early period.” Black, sn Fergus gives Fearghus as the modern Gaelic, and Fergus as the Middle Gaelic spelling. Fergus is also the standard English spelling and occurs in 16th C Scotland in the data from the Orkney Islands http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~grm/orkney-masc.htm. “Fergus” can also be documented as a Manx given name using the website Personal Names Extract from W.W.Gill A Third Manx Scrapbook - dating from 1928 but not published until much later. http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/manx/famhist/fnames/wwgillpn.htm “McCain” is a variant of the surname CAIN, or CAINE, contracted from Mac Cathain, ' Cathan's son.' As found at the website Surnames Derived From "Personal" Names of Purely Native Origin Chapter II. (Part II.) found at the URL http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/manx/manxnb/v05p020.htm The spelling “McCain” is not specified but is inferred from the construction and spelling variants listed. He will accept changes and made no request for authenticity. [Black Pillar] - (Name): "This looks registerable, although it would have been nice to have seen some of the "construction and spelling variants" from the article documenting the surname that were mentioned in the LoP."
    [Golden Wing] - (Name): “Fergus: O'Corrain & Maguire documentation for the first name is fine. See above (#6) for a discussion on McCain.”

    ACTION: Name Passed.

  21. George Woulfryth. New Name & Device. Azure, on a bend sinister argent three gouttes palewise vert.

  22. Caerthe, Barony of “George” is found in Withycombe, page 128-9, s.n. George dated by citation from Magd. c. 1270-80. “Woulfryth” is found in Reaney & Wilson, page 501, under the header Woolfrey, citing Matilda Woulfryth 1297 MinAcctCo. The client is interested in having his name be authentic for “English”, and he will accept changes. He is most interested in the sound and the desired gender is male. The device conflicts with Corwynn of Thornwood (2/75): Azure, on a bend sinister argent a thorned slip embowed throughout sable. with only 1 CD granted for all changes to the tertiary charge group. [Black Pillar] - (Name): "Very nice name!"
    [Golden Wing] - (Name): “Name appears fine.”
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): “Conflict with Corwynn of Thornwood (7502), *Azure, on a bend sinister argent a thorned slip embowed throughout sable*. There is but a single CD, for the multiple changes to the tertiary charges."
    [Golden Wing] - (Device): “I agree that the device conflicts as cited in the Letter.”

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Returned for conflict cited above.

  23. Georgius of Canterbury. New Name.

  24. Dragonsspine, Barony of “Georgius” is listed in Withycombe, page 128-129, under the heading “George” dated to 1199, 1203 from the Curia Regis rolls. “Canterbury” is an English city which has existed since very early period. The first Archbishop of Canterbury was Augustine, who became Archbishop in 597. He will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be made authentic for “English” language and/or culture. [Golden Wing] - (Name): “Name should be fine - construction is normalized for early period forms - 'X of Y'.”

    ACTION: Name Passed.

  25. Isabella Francesca Niccola Giovanni. New Name.

  26. Fontaine dans Sable, Shire of All three given name elements are documented from the website Feminine Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427 by Arval Benicoeur (Josh Mittleman) http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/ The patronymic surname “Giovanni” is documented using Family Names Appearing in the Catasto of 1427 http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catasto/family_names.html She will not allow major changes, cares most about the sound, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be authentic for 15th-16th cent. Italian time period, language and/or culture. [al-Jamal] - (Name): “"Italian does not form unmarked patronymics." (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR September 1997, p. 1) It is impossible to tell from the article referenced at St. Gabriel whether the full family surname was "Giovanni" or something more like "di Giovanni". The page does note that all names have been truncated to ten letters. "As Kraken put it, 'In Italian, by the time that we find (a) double given names and (b) family surnames, I would expect the direct patronymic to have disappeared. On the other hand, *given patronymic surname* is unexceptional. Adding the double given name is a weirdness, …'" (Elsbeth Anne Roth, LoAR August 2000, p. 7) Here, she's stringing together three given names and a patronymic/surname. This alone is "one step beyond period practice": "We agree with the commenters who found the use of three given names unlikely even in Italian. However, this is just one step beyond documented practice, so the name is registerable. (Five-element Italian names have been banned since the 9/92 return of *Marco Giovanni Drago Bianco Vento* (Ansteorra).)" (LoAR June 1996, p. 3) Unless Giovanni can be shown to be an hereditary surname (rather than an unmarked patronymic), we are then a returnable two steps beyond period practice."
    [Golden Wing] - (Name): “I am dubious on three given names and one patryonmic as a single construction, even for late period Italian. Not being an expert, though, I recommend that it be sent forward for consideration, if the submitter really wants a 'four-barrel' name. Dropping either of the two middle names would be an excellent idea.”
    [Trefoil] - (Name): "VERY nice Italian name and very in keeping with the period in question."

    ACTION: Name Passed as Isabella Francesca Niccola di Giovanni.

  27. Katrein Adler. Device Resubmission (L). Per bend sinister argent and azure, in bend three cinquefoils counterchanged.

  28. Caerthe, Barony of Her name was registered in July of 2001 via the Outlands. Her previous device submission “Per bend sinister argent and azure, two cinquefoils counterchanged.”, was returned from Laurel in February 2002 for conflict with Rose the Riotous (12/91 East): “Per bend sinister argent and azure, a garden rose bendwise sinister, slipped and leaved, azure and a goutte d'eau”, 1 CD for changing half the charge group. [Golden Wing] - (Device): “Nice re-design! Very classy!”

    ACTION: Device Passed.

  29. Patrick Olyveyr. New Device. Or, a chevron ployé vert between two pairs of swords in saltire gules and a compass star azure.

  30. Caer Galen, Shire of His name was sent to Laurel on the March 17, 2002 Outlands LoI. [Golden Wing] - (Device): “The chevron as drawn is not very 'ploye', to my understanding. If the submitter will accept a straight chevron, that might be a consideration before sending this device forward.”
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "The chevron is too narrow. Reblazon: “between two pairs of crossed swords Gules ...”. The blazon submitted could end up with a saltire made up of 4 swords rather than what is depicted on the emblazon."

    ACTION: Device Passed.

  31. Robert fitz Ralph. New Name and Device. Vert, a Celtic cross argent.

  32. St. Golias, College of “Robert” is found in Withycombe, page 254, and has been popular since the Domesday Book. “fitz” meaning “son of” is the English/Scots corruption of the French “filius”. “Ralph” is found in Withycombe, page 249, was in use in England before the Norman conquest after which it was reinforced by Norman influence. The device, "Vert, a Celtic cross argent" conflicts with: Gormflait Suiban ni Cuallachta (1/73): Gyronny Or and azure, a Celtic cross argent, fimbriated sable. 1 CD for changes to the field. Nothing for the fimbriation; Dawn Marie O'Toole (9/89 Caid): Vert, a Celtic cross argent between four crescents in cross, horns outward, Or. 1 CD for removing the secondary charge group; Margaret Malise de Kyrkyntolaghe (2/91 Middle): Vert, on a Celtic cross argent a marguerite blossom azure seeded Or. 1 CD for removing the tertiary charge group. [Golden Wing] - (Name): “Name and its construction seem to be fine.”
    All of the conflicts cited in the ILoP apply."
    [Black Pillar] - (Device): "This is in conflict with all three devices cited on the LoP and should be returned for redesign."
    [Golden Wing] - (Device): “I agree on the conflicts as cited, The device needs to be returned for further work.”
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "These (16 & 17) are not Celtic crosses, but Latin crosses formy conjoined to annulets. If he wants Celtic crosses, he should be referred to #9 above for an example of how they are correctly drawn."
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "This device falls under the guidelines of ‘simple heraldry’ which is defined as ‘a field with a single charge”. Historically, we have required only 1 CD between simple armory and “Vert, a Celtic cross Argent” is very simple armory which has NO visual similarity whatsoever with “Gyronny Or and Azure, a Celtic cross Argent fimbriated Sable”. We feel the single CD should be sufficient. Further, per RfS X.4, in simple armory a change to tertiaries may count as 1 CD. So, if one considers the fimbriation as tertiary, there are two CD - one for the field change and one for removal of the fimbriation. I support registration of this device. As for the other conflict, we refer back to the Simple Armory precedents which indicate that the removal of the secondaries would be sufficient to clear this very simple and elegant piece of armory."

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Returned for conflicts cited above.

  33. Robert fitz Ralph. New Badge. Vert, a Celtic cross argent.

  34. St. Golias, College of Yes, you read it correctly. The device and badge are identical. Why? I don’t have a clue. But he did pay for both of them. The badge will obviously be returned for the same conflicts as the device. Even if it didn’t have any conflicts I would not send two identical pieces of armory to Laurel. [al-Jamal] - (Badge): “Yeah, in addition to the same conflicts as the device, but the real point of registration is protection, and this design would already be protected if the device were to be registered. Does he perhaps not understand that the shape of the field makes no difference in the use of armory? That is to say, once the device is registered, it may be displayed on _any_ shape field: heater, roundel, delf (*e.g.*, square banner), billet (rectangle), horizontal billet (standard, or flag), round bottom shield (as is popular in Iberian armory), any of the various convoluted Italianate shields, etc., etc., etc."
    [Black Pillar] - (Badge): "I suspect that even were this clear of conflict and sent to Laurel, it would be returned due to being identical heraldically to the device. Perhaps an explanation of the differences between devices and badges is in order here."
    [Golden Wing] - (Badge): “Badge must be returned as it is identical to #16 above, and therefore has the same conflicts. However, if it were made Fieldless, the conflicts as cited would be cleared and it would be an excellent badge!”
    [Trefoil] - (Badge): "Someone really mis-informed this young man. As Lord Rampart says - one cannot register two identical pieces of armory. However, if the submitter wanted to drop the field and possibly make the cross dual colored (I seem to remember a conflict with Argent Celtic cross badges somewhere) he might have a great little badge."

    ACTION: Badge Returned.

  35. Roderick Conall MacLeod. New Badge. (Fieldless) a three-masted galleon sails set proper.

  36. Caerthe, Barony of His name was registered in November of 1995 via the Outlands. The ship is brown with white sails and red pennons. [Green Anchor] - (Device): "This lacks most of the characteristics that distinguish a galleon, so it would be best to blazon it as a generic ship. The sails are not drawn realistically, but rather in the diagrammatic fashion used by some marine history books. Redraw them without the upturned corners."
    [Aspen] - (Device): "To Green Anchor: the sails are drawn as depicted in Parker's Glossary under heading "Ship", however, the client has no problem with losing the turned-up corner in his display. The submitter is also perfectly happy to call it a "ship" rather than a "galleon.""
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "This is GORGEOUS! Excellent badge!"

    ACTION: Badge Passed as (Fieldless) A ship of three masts in full sail proper sails argent pennons gules.

  37. Scholast Michel. New Name & Device. Vert, a dragon rampant Or and a bordure Or semy of closed books vert tooled Or.

  38. Caerthe, Barony of “Scholast” is found in Withycombe, page 264 under the header Scholastica, dated to 1450 as a feminine given name. “Michel” is found in Reaney & Wilson, page 311, under the header Mitchell, dated to 1219, 1236, and 1280 as a surname. The client also provides S Gabriel Report #988, which dates Scholast as a feminine given name to 1450 and Michel as a surname to 1327, 1219, and 1205. The client is interested in having her name be authentic for mid-15th C England, and will accept changes. She is most interested in the name's meaning, which she describes as "derived from Saint Scholastica's name," and the desired gender is female. [Golden Wing] - (Name): “Name is wonderful, and well documented, but a caution is needed here. I first read it as a title of sorts - 'Scholar Michel'.”
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): “The tertiary books do not appear to be "tooled"; that is to say, they do not have a design inscribed into the leather of their covers. They _do_, however, appear to be *garnished*, furnished with clasps of a different tincture than the books. *See*, *e.g.*, Johann K{u"}nster of the Sweord Ora, (9303), *Per chevron sable and argent, two pens in saltire Or and a closed book palewise azure garnished Or*. As the default for closed books is *fesswise* (*Pictorial Dictionary*, 2nd ed., #62 and Glossary of Terms, Table 4), we need to specify in the blazon that these are *palewise.*"
    [Aspen] - (Device): "To al-Jamal: thank you! The blazon made me twitch, but I didn't know how to fix it."
    [Golden Wing] - (Device): “Device is very nice!”
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "Reblazon the dragon ‘segreant’ since it is a more appropriate term for these sorts of beasties. Otherwise, lovely."

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed as Vert, a dragon Or and a bordure Or semy of closed books palewise vert garnished Or.

  39. Tat’iana Travina. New Name and Device. Azure, a hippopotamus statant, a bordure argent.

  40. St. Golias, College of Both name elements were documented using A Dictionary of Period Russian Names by Paul Wickenden of Thanet, http://sca.org/heraldry/paul. Tat’iana (f) - “to designate.” Tat’iana, martyr. 1356. [Lev 3] (Eve Levin’s Calendar of Saints-12th-15th Century Novgorod.) Trava (m) - “grass.” Pats: Travin (Saltyk Travin, Moscow boiar’s son). 1469. [Tup 349] (N.M. Tupikov Slovar’ drevne-russkikh lichnykh sobstvennykh imen [Dictionary of Ancient Russian Personal Names]. In the grammar section under Feminine Patronymics we find “1. In most cases, women used the same types of patronymics as men. However, their bynames had to agree with the gender of the subject, which, in Russian, means that they had to add an “a” on the end...Borodin becomes Borodina, Malinin becomes Malinina...” She will not accept major changes, cares most about the language/culture, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be authentic for “Russian” language and/or culture. While the Hippopotamus as an heraldic charge is unusual, it is apparently not unregisterable. David of Staffa (5/81 West): Or, a hippopotamus statant azure, a base engrailed vert; Aneirin ap Corwyn o'r Ynis Witrin (11/84 Atenveldt): Per fess wavy azure and vert, a hippopotamus rampant to sinister argent, in chief a trident fesswise Or; Sindra Gunhild Sigmundsdottir (9/90 Ansteorra): Vert, a hippopotamus rampant between in chief two roses argent, on a chief Or a stick shuttle sable; Aaron de Hameldene (4/93 Middle): Argent, a hippopotamus statant contourny azure. I am not aware of any precedents since 1993 banning their use. [Golden Wing] - (Name): “Name looks good.”
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): “The hippo appears to have lost its two right legs. Hippos are still registrable (though rare), but this depiction might conflict with a boar. (Since hippos do not appear to be period heraldic charges, difference must be based on visual difference, and the one here is very hard to tell from a boar.) With that in mind, consider Diarmuid mac Nessa (9909), *Azure, a boar statant and a bordure rayonny argent*, with potentially only one CD for the complex line of the bordure."
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "The hippo is drawn with only two legs. If that's what the client really wants, it should be so blazoned."
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "The bordure is too narrow. I was, at first, taken aback by the hippo, but realized that, with all the travel available, it was probably seen and used, so I guess there is not problem other than the fact that it’s an outline which is, as you know, one of my pet peeves."

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed.

  41. Thomas de Cherbourg. Device Resubmission (K). Sable, a bend sinister gules fimbriated argent, overall a cross fleury Or.

  42. al-Barran, Barony of His name was sent to Laurel on the January 17, 2002 Outlands LoI. His previous device submission, “Sable, a bend sinister gules fimbriated argent between a Latin cross and a fleur-de-lys Or.” was returned from Kingdom on the January Letter of Response. [al-Jamal] - (Device): “Given the pronounced lengthening of the lower arm of the cross, we may wish to blazon this a *Latinate cross fleury*."
    [Black Pillar] - (Device): "I presume the original submission was returned at kingdom for conflict. This one appears to be clear."
    [Golden Wing] - (Device): “Why was the device returned in January? Good drawing this time!”

    ACTION: Device Passed as Sable, a bend sinister gules fimbriated argent, overall a Latinate cross fleury Or.

  43. Þóra Hrónarsdóttir. New Name and Device. Per fess azure and argent, a sunburst inverted and a dragon displayed counterchanged.

  44. St. Golias, College of “Þóra” is found in Geirr Bassi, page 16. “Hrónarr” is found ibid page 11. “-sdóttir” is the feminine patronymic form found ibid page 18. She will accept changes, the desired gender is female, and she is interested in having her name be authentic for “9th-11th century Norse” time period, language/culture. [Golden Wing] - (Name): “Name checks out fine.”
    [Golden Wing] - (Device): “I am concerned about the device. I don't believe that I have ever seen a sunburst inverted!”
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): "I've never seen a dragon displayed in period heraldry."
    [Trefoil] - (Device): "OK, I have no idea what that first letter is, so I used the closest I could find. At any rate, speaking of outlines..... I have a real problem with the identifiability of this critter without some detail. It could be a badly-drawn bat for all I can tell."

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed.

  45. Þóra Hrónarsdóttir. New Badge. (Fieldless) A dragon displayed azure.

  46. St. Golias, College of This badge conflicts with Dieterich von Kleinberg (11/00 An Tir): Per saltire argent and Or, a dragon displayed azure bellied argent. 1 CD for fielded vs. fieldless. Nothing for changing the tincture of the belly; Andrew of Riga (1/74): Sable, a wivern volant azure fimbriated argent. 1 CD for fielded vs. fieldless. Nothing for the fimbriation. There *might* be a CD for displayed vs. volant, but considering that this was registered in 1974, it might just be misblazoned. A visual check would be required. [Black Pillar] - (Badge): "This probably should be visually checked against Dieterich's device to see how significant the argent belly is. Against Andrew of Riga, there should be a second CD for displayed vs. volant, as the first has the creature palewise, with wings to either side, and the second has the creature horizontal, with wings to top and bottom."
    [Golden Wing] - (Badge): “Nice! Too bad about the cited conflicts, though.”
    [Caer Galen] - (Badge): "Francesca, who has in person seen Duke Andrew’s rendition of his device, states that his arms have the Wyvern in profile, so should be blazoned segreant, and as such does not conflict."
    [Trefoil] - (Badge): "Ditto on the bat and outline comments. However, having been in the College for awhile, I don’t ever remember seeing ‘volant’ depicted as anything other than the ‘volant’ we know, so it should be clear."

    ACTION: Badge Returned for conflict with Dietrich von Kleinberg cited above.

  47. Wilham of Douglas. New Name and Device. Argent, a heart gules, on a chief sable two arms armored counterembowed each maintaining a dagger Or.

  48. Caer Galen, Shire of “Wilham” is found in the list of male names in the web article B rass Inscription Index found linked from the Laurel website at http://sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/ (Wilham de Kesteven, rector 1361. From URL below:) It is based on data provided by the brass rubbing collection of the Ashmolean Museum of Art and Archaeology at Oxford University. Which can be found in total at http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/ash/departments/antiquities/brass/counties/Hertfordshire.html “Douglas” can be found in Black, Surnames of Scotland, page 217-218 under the heading Douglas. William de Douglas, the first of the family in record, between 1175 and 1199, witnessed a confirmation charter by Jocelin, bishop of Glasgow, to the monks of Kelso (Kelso, 454), etc... He will not accept major changes, cares most about the sound, the desired gender is male, and he is interested in having his name be authentic for “14th century” time period. The only specifically 14th century citation Black gives for Douglas is “Dwglass 1399”. “The old pronunciation of the name was Doo-glas, the modern Dug-las.” I am going to punt to Laurel on authenticity for this name, but suggestions are welcome. The heart in his device could stand to be a lot larger, but I understand why it is not. The Douglas clan armory is “Argent, a heart gules (sometimes crowned Or) and on a chief azure three mullets argent”. When the crown is removed, the space left behind explains the space on Wilham’s device between the heart and the chief. The arms on the chief may suffer from identifiability problems. Please view it from across a room to see if the charges still look like arms from a distance and let me know the results. [Black Pillar] - (Name): "If the submitter wants an authentic 14th century name, the likeliest form, given the information in the LoP, seems to be Wilham Dwglass."
    [Golden Wing] - (Name): “Better web doc than some I have seen.”
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): “No, that heart is _clearly_ *in base*. As that is not the default, it will need to be specifically blazoned. Since one arm is the default dexter and the other a sinister arm, it might be best to blazon them as *a pair of arms armored*...."
    [Black Pillar] - (Device): "The position of each arm should probably be explicitly blazoned. Suggested reblazon: Argent, a heart gules, on a chief sable two arms embowed-counterembowed, each maintaining a dagger Or."
    [Golden Wing] - (Device): “I that that the arms were the mandibles of a spider or other insect at first. Suggestion, per fess, same charges, just larger - co-equal with the heart, which removes concern about the size of the heart, too.”
    [Caer Galen] - (Device): "We should point out that ‘The Douglas’, founder of the dynasty, is ‘William de Duglas’ and the famous Douglas arms are, as noted, similar to the submission. Is the combination presumptuous enough to be returned?"

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed as Argent, in base a heart gules, on a chief sable a pair of arms armored each maintaining a dagger Or.

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