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January 2002 Letter of Presentation
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On February 28, 2001, a Rampart Meeting was held to consider the Letter of Presentation dated January 15, 2002. In attendance were Countess Anne Aliz de Bâle, Fretty Herald, Earl Cathyn Fitzgerald, Lady Kiena Munro, and Lady Alia Marie de Blois. Letters of comment were received from Master Da’ud ibn Auda, al-Jamal Herald; Master Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald; and the Caer Galen Commenting group which consisted of Baron Louis-Philippe Mitouard, Cat’s Paw Herald Extraordinary, Baronessa Francesca di Pavia, Pursuivant, Regana van Kortrijk, Caer Galen PE, Frederigo de Grenada, and Alisaundre la Coutourière. Here are the decisions from these deliberations.

  1. Caterine d'Albret. New Badge. (Fieldless) Three fleurs-de-lys conjoined in pall inverted bases to center argent.

  2. Caerthe, Barony of
    Her name is currently in process on the November 2001 Outlands Letter of Intent.

    ACTION: Badge Passed.

  3. Cecily de Heselington. New Name.

  4. Caer Galen, Shire of
    "Cecily" is found in Withycombe, s.n. Cecilia, page 57. It is from the Latin Caecilia, the feminine form of Caecilius. St. Cecilia was a Roman martyred c. 177. The name became a favorite in the Western church. It was introduced to England at the Norman Conquest. This specific spelling is not dated but has been registered as a given name in the SCA 10 times, as recently as 1998. "Heslington" is found in R&W, page 229, s.n. Heslington. Geoffrey de Heselington' 1190 P (Y); William de Heselington' 1219 AssY; William de Haselingden 1332 SRLa. From Heslington (ERY), or Haslingden (La). She will not accept major changes and is interested in having her name be authentic for "England" language/culture.

    ACTION: Name Passed.

  5. Diana of the Tulips. New Badge. (Fieldless) Four tulips gules slipped and singly leaved conjoined in saltire bases to center vert.

  6. Caerthe, Barony of
    Her name was registered in April of 1988 (via the Outlands). I see two possible problems with this badge. The first is that the blazon seems clumsy to me and does not adequately recreate the emblazon. The other is how thin the slips are. Are they thin enough to require a redraw?

    [al-Jamal] - (Badge): “The submitted blazon implies that the flowers (and slips) rather than the leaves are conjoined in saltire". The flowers are *in cross*; it is the leaves which are *in saltire*. Can I think of a concise blazon which will describe the arrangement of flowers and leaves? No. *Four tulips gules slipped in cross bases to center conjoined with four leaves in saltire bases to center vert.*”
    [Green Anchor] - (Badge): “The reason the blazon is clumsy is that it's not a period design. I would want to see the slips drawn a bit thicker and also note that tulip leaves don't taper to a point at the base. The ones I'm familiar with are a good bit wider as well. These are more the width of daffodil leaves.”
    [Caer Galen] - (Badge): “In order to effectively reproduce the obviously intended arrangement of the leaves, some blazon excess will be necessary. The current blazon is inadequate since the single leaves would be expected to emerge from the slip, not necessarily from the common point, and need not necessarily be exactly in saltire. We suggest: (Fieldless) Four tulips gules, slipped and conjoined in cross and four tulip leaves conjoined in saltire vert.”

    ACTION: Badge Passed as “Four tulips gules slipped in cross bases to center conjoined with four leaves in saltire bases to center vert.”

  7. Jeanne-Marie Dubois. New Name.

  8. Caer Galen, Shire of
    "Jeanne-Marie" is the client's legal given name. A copy of her CO driver's license was included as documentation (though it specifically identifies her as "Jeanne M".) All three elements can be documented using Dauzat. "Jeanne" is on page 343 s.n. Jean. "Marie" is on page 416 s.n. Marie. "Dubois" is on page 214 s.n. Dubois. "Dubois" is also found in R&W, page 143, s.n. Dubois. It is an old French name meaning 'dweller in the wood'. John du Boys 1279 RH (O). Theydon Bois (Ess), Hugh de Bosco 1240, Bois Hall in Navestock (Ess), John de Bosco 1229. She will not accept minor changes, cares most about the language/culture, and is interested in having her name be authentic for 12-14th century French.

    ACTION: Name Passed.

  9. Kjalvor Eyjadatter. New Name.

  10. Caerthe, Barony of
    "Kjalvor" is found in Geirr Bassi, page 12. There is a hook under the "o". Eyja is in Geirr Bassi page 9. No documentation was provided and none could be found for the spelling variant "datter". She will not accept major changes and is interested in having her name be authentic for 10th-11th c. Viking.

    [al-Jamal] - (Name): “*-datter* must be a proper spelling in _some_ language; it's been registered at least as recently as May 2001 in the name of Birgitta S{o/}rensdatter. In registering that name, Laurel noted: *Soren* was documented to 1263 from *Danmarks gamle personnavne*, but the entry -- written in Danish -- notes that *Severinus* does not appear in the form *S{o/}ren* this early and that this instance is either a modernisation of an older form or a misreading of *Swen*. The form *S{o/}ren* does not appear before the 15th century, so we had to change the patronymic suffix to match that time period. So *-datter* would appear to be a late period patronymic ending, incompatible with the submitter's desired "10th-11th c. Viking" name.”
    [Green Anchor] - (Name): “According to Geirr Bassi's rules for forming metronymics, p.18, it should be "Eyjud{o'}ttir". "-datter" is, I think, a later period Danish(?) form.”
    [Caer Galen] - (Name): “We can document Kjalvor Eyjarsdóttir (Geirr Bassi pg 9) -- the patronymic form or Kjal Eyjudottir - matronymic form.”

    ACTION: Name Passed as Kjalvor Eyjadottir.

  11. Malcolm Makalestyr. New Name and Device. Per pale vert and sable, six gouttes 3, 2, and 1 argent.

  12. al-Barran, Barony of
    "Malcolm" is found in Withycombe page 204. This spelling is not dated. It is from the Scottish Gaelic name maol-Columb, 'servant' or 'disciple of Columb'. It is occasionally found in England in the Middle Ages. "Makalestyr" is found in Black, page 449 under the heading "Macalaster". "Ranald Makalestyr, who obtained a lease of lands in Arran, 1455." He will allow changes and is interested in having his name be authentic for 15th c. Scottish.

    [Caer Galen] - (Device): “3, 2 and 1 can be omitted, we believe, as it is the default. “

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed.

  13. Meghan Ruadh nic Guinne. Change of registered device. Per pale vert and azure, three mullets in bend argent.

  14. Caerthe, Barony of
    Her name was registered in April of 1991 (via the Outlands). She has since used the patronymic particle "ni" rather than "nic" in all correspondence, including this submission. A correction for a previous submission in 1992 from "ni" to "nic" is even listed in the on-line O&A. If she wishes to have it officially changed she may do so, but that will require a change of name form. Her currently registered device was registered in February of 1992 via the Outlands: Per pale vert and azure, a horse's head couped contourny and in chief three mullets argent. If this new device is registered she would like the old one to be released. She claims that this is a resubmission from a device sent to Kingom in late 1999. I have no records of that previous submission in the file. I do not have copies of the LoPR's and LoI's from Timothy's tenure.

    ACTION: Device Passed.

  15. Michael of Ravenskeep. New Name and Device. Argent, a pile sable and overall a chevron counterchanged argent and vert.

  16. al-Barran, Barony of
    "Michael" is found in Withycombe, page 218, where it is said to have been a favorite name from the 12th century onwards. No documentation was provided for "Ravenskeep". It is the name of a household registered to Baron Mael Marden in November of 1991 via the Outlands. Only Mael Marden may grandfather its use, but it was registered without documentation and without comment. I'm willing to punt to Laurel on this one. The client actually uses the name Michael of Endroc, but couldn't find documentation for Endroc. Any help on either byname would be appreciated. He cares most about the sound and language/culture and would like his name to be authentic for 12th c. English.

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed.

  17. Morgan Railey. New Name and Device. Per pall inverted azure, vert, and Or.

  18. al-Barran, Barony of
    "Morgan" is found in Withycombe, page 222, where it is said to have been a favourite Welsh name from early times. "Railey" is found in R&W, pg 371 s.n. Raleigh, not dated. He will accept changes.

    [Caer Galen] - (Name): “Gruffudd, Welsh Names for Children, pg.73 cites “Morgan Hen - [from] 973”, Reaney and Wilson, 1995ed, pg 371 does not give Railey, under that spelling. It has Rayley and Raley and Ralley and Rally but not the submitted form.”

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed.

  19. Morgan Railey. New Badge. (Fieldless) A dragon passant contourny per pale vert and azure.

  20. al-Barran, Barony of

    [Green Anchor] - (Badge): “The emblazon shows the dragon statant rather than passant.”

    ACTION: Badge Passed.

  21. Nicholas the Falconer. New Name and Device. Argent, a falcon striking to sinister azure, belled Or, jessed sable, a bordure azure.

  22. Unser Hafen, Barony of
    "Nicholas" is found in Withycombe, page 227, s.n. Nicholas. This spelling is dated by citation to 1273. "Falconer" is found in R&W, page 161, this spelling not dated. He will not accept major changes and is most interested in having his name be authentic for the Norman language/culture.

    [Green Anchor] - (Name): “If he wants a Norman name, why is he using an English epithet? Something like "le Faucon(n)ier" would seem more approptiate. Reaney & Wilson, p.161, under "Falconer", have "le ffauconer" from 1264.”
    [Caer Galen] - (Name): “Nicholas Falconer (without the article) would be a so much better period form! Otherwise, no comments.”
    [al-Jamal] - (Device): “The falcon is not "striking", it is *rising*. "Striking" is a posture in which the head is down, looking at the prey about to be struck. With the head up, it is *rising*.”

    ACTION: Name Passed. Device Passed.

  23. Patrick Olyveyr. New Name.

  24. Caer Galen, Shire of
    "Patrick" is found in Withycombe, page 228, under the heading "Patrick", where it is said to have been common in the North of England from the 12th C. "Olyveyr" is found in R&W, page 329, under the heading "Oliver", from the citation Robert Olyveyr, 1260 AssC. He will not accept major changes, cares most about the sound, and is interested in having his name be authentic for 12-14th century.

    ACTION: Name Passed.

  25. Robert Blackhawk. New Badge. Azure, a chevron and a bordure argent.

  26. Hawk's Hollow, Canton of
    His name was registered in July of 1999 via the Outlands. His registered device is Azure, on a chevron argent two hawks striking addorsed sable, a bordure argent. This badge is just his device without the hawks, which makes it a much nicer piece of armory. Unfortunately it conflicts with the registered device of Diane von Dakerwald, April of 1989 via the West: Azure, a chevron argent between three fir trees couped Or, all within a bordure argent. 1 CD for removal of the secondary charge group, but that's all.

    ACTION: Badge Returned for conflict cited above.

  27. Sabiha al-Zarqa. Device Resubmission (K). Azure, a carrack in full sail pennons flying Or issuant from a trimount, a chief enarched and invected argent.

  28. Unser Hafen, Barony of
    Her name is in process on the December 17 2001 LoI. Her previous device submission, Azure, a carrack in full sail pennons flying Or issuant from a trimount argent, was returned for conflict on the December 2001 Outlands Letter of Response.

    [al-Jamal] - (Device): “"With _very_ rare exceptions (e.g. in combination with enarched lines), the use of two or more complex lines on the same charge is confusing, and unattested in period armory. (Wavy raguly? Embattled rayonny? I think not.) In this case, the chief could be either embattled or triangular --- but not both." (Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme, LoAR December 1992, p. 20) So the use of both *enarched* and *invected* appears to be permissible here.”
    [Green Anchor] - (Device): “I could nitpick about this one, but will simply say that it is now recognizably a carrack, and should certainly be registerable, even though the spritsail and rudder are missing.”

    ACTION: Device Passed.

  29. Unser Hafen, Barony of. New Badge. (Fieldless) On a portcullis vert a saltcellar Or.

  30. [Green Anchor] - (Badge): “Based on the PicDic entry, I'd be inclined to blazon this as a _covered_ saltcellar. The portcullis would be more recognizable with its chains emblazoned.”
    [Caer Galen] - (Badge): “Nice, late period, badge (Worshipful Company of salters, from which the example of a saltcellar is taken, is from 1530)”

    ACTION: Badge Passed.

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